Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Abortion is now a convenience, it is a lifestyle choice and not taking responsibility for your actions. |
Abortion is taking responsibility for your actions. - If you think it is just "cold blooded murder" then you aren't being empathetic towards the women who undergo it, it's not a simple process, often they are emotional.
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Only right wing governments can make laws that are the best for society. Right wing governments consist of well educated competent people that makes good laws that are for the best of society as has been the case through out history. Left wing governments consist of less educated and less experienced people that push idealistic agendas and socialist programs and try to redistribute wealth through tax upon tax. |
Fake news.
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
I fully support the right wing Republicans trying to overturn abortion reforms. Abortion should not be a lifestyle choice, it should only be a last resort in special circumstances. Abortion should be paid by the individual and never subsidised by the government like they do in the leftist European nations. Making abortion a lifestyle choice/convenient creates the mentality of: I want to party, travel and never grow up and never take responsibility for my actions. |
That isn't the norm, so your perspective is highly skewed.
EricHiggin said:
If they came together to create another, I don't know how that would imply anything else other than they decided to procreate. If this isn't the case, then you could simply say we don't know the reasons why the husband and wife got married either. Maybe he pretended to be something he's not and that's why she keeps getting crazier and drives him nuts, because she wants revenge for all we know. Maybe this, maybe that. If that's not what both parties agreed to then what good was the contract now that she's dead?
Even if two people come together and act in a manner that could potentially create a fetus, that shouldn't necessarily let them off the hook.
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How can you assert that when you don't know the details of every incident? Unless we know the situation, we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
They aren't being let off any hook, they need to live with the fact they aborted a child for the rest of their life.
EricHiggin said:
If you learn to drive, pass your test, get your license, and then crash into another vehicle because you had an accident, the outcome isn't simply, 'sorry other driver, you should have known an accident could occur and a write off was a possibility, too bad so sad.' No, you're forced to have insurance to cover the costs of whatever damage you caused in the act and you pay for that, however much it is and however much it sucks. Heck if you get in enough accidents, you'll lose your license to operate any road legal vehicle for some period of time. Yet we allow people to 'come together' and be reckless or have accident after accident, and instead of using the 'insurance' to solve the problem, we just allow them to 'write it off' no matter the damage. No one loses their 'license to drive on the roads'. Mad Max rules?
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I am a road crash technician, so this is right up my alley.
What you describe isn't always the case.
Here we have mandatory insurance for bodily injury, not vehicles, you need to buy your own 3rd party insurance. - In the event of an accident, if you are at fault, then the other participant can claim against your insurance, if you don't have any, then they claim against their own insurance, if they don't have it either, then tough luck.
And you won't loose your license if you have to many accidents either. - Remember, Mad Max was made here. ;)
EricHiggin said:
So to say what she feels is irrelevant....? Equality? If people's feelings don't matter well then... |
Divorce process exists for a reason. People feelings in the matter are ultimately irrelevant, it doesn't change the process or outcome.
EricHiggin said:
'Adults' are also incapable of making comprehensive decisions at times. Some more so than others. Some more often than others. At what age or classification is the point in time when all your decisions are always all knowing perfection? |
True, but there is a reason why there is an age cut-off point where you are allowed to make decisions that are potentially life-altering, because it's assumed that the individual has enough life experience to make an informed choice.
But if you are all about children making adult choices... Why don't you have children running your country?
EricHiggin said:
Earth and it's biosphere are biological. Without mother Earth's womb she dies. In good faith, in terms of people themselves, how long does she have to live to be able to truly say she can survive entirely on her own? An hour? A week? A year? Just longer than a fetus could? |
The Earth is not a biological construct. Faith is believe without evidence, something I cannot adhere to.
The Earth doesn't give a shit if all life lives or dies, it will continue to exist either way.
EricHiggin said:
It's voluntary manslaughter, not murder.
So if you 'know' a law is wrong, you will follow it anyway, meaning you yourself are aware that you're doing something wrong, but that's ok because it's the 'laws fault', yet if someone snaps and beats someone else to death, feeling justified since they've been pushed to the suicidal edge by them, and that's against the law, they should be held accountable because you 'know' those laws are right?
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The line between manslaughter and murder are often blurred, no need to play into semantics.
The law is the law. - If there is contention on a point in the law, there is a specific process to be followed and to challenge, no point in playing into your hypothetical scenario which will ultimately change nothing.
EricHiggin said:
Well if the fetus doesn't have full autonomous control over the mother's body so it doesn't get to dictate the terms, as you pointed out earlier, then if the wife doesn't have full autonomous control over the husband, she doesn't get to dictate the terms either, correct? |
It doesn't need full autonomous control, making this argument entirely redundant.
EricHiggin said:
If you used your own 'IP' and 'product' to help create that fetus, how can you have no rights to it? Who decides if the mothers decision is an adult decision, and who's to say the fathers adult decision isn't 'more comprehensively adult' than her's? |
That is between the mother and father to decide and the legal process to figure out.
Either way, what another couple does isn't my business.
EricHiggin said:
If a law was passed that said nobody can procreate anymore, and the reason given was because it's possible that someday, that being could grow up and become a truck driver and may aimlessly run into a woman and her newborn baby, would you agree that law would be justified? |
Many countries have or had laws that restricted procreation, China for example.
And no, that law cannot be justified, because you cannot predict a future event, you can only base an action on the information you have at the time and not some far-fetched hypothetical future scenario.
EricHiggin said:
I had a GF for 3 years that was a paramedic. She told me quite a few stories about her encounters, on which a few occasion's she had people begging her to end their life, in which case she told me she wouldn't ever do that to someone because she felt it was wrong, no matter the pain. Her go to line if I ever showed too much weakness was "toughen up buttercup", typically said in a lighthearted, "I'm not entirely joking though" kind of tone. |
Paramedics are trained differently to other first response agencies.
And as an Aged Carer... I am all for Euthanasia. I have seen things that would put hair on a Paramedics chest.
But if I am on a job, doesn't matter how bloody, how gruesome, I will still work my ass off to keep that individual alive.
There was a job where a woman fell of a very tall cliff, broke her collar, hip, arm... And she set off an EPIRB. - I was the first person down the cliff and for 9 hours I tried to keep her alive, keep her comfortable... And despite the fact she was in excruciating pain, I did my job. - Made her as comfortable as possible by holding her, regardless if she was bleeding out on me.
Sadly because I am in one of the most remote places on Earth, it took that long for a chopper to get there and take her away. She didn't survive, I didn't loose any sleep over it... But if Euthanasia was legal and she asked for it, you bet I would have considered it knowing that the chopper was so far away and she had no chance of survival.
It would have been humane.
EricHiggin said:
Odds are pretty high they wouldn't attempt it unless necessary. They would of course have to do much planning, and what they would have to build up and send would be more Navy and Air Force focused, initially at least. This would be necessary as you say, because boots on the ground would be much tougher. There are also the allies that would come to the aid of Aus, but if it was America that was attacking, that would make choosing sides considerably more complicated. While short term may be doable, if you're up against the mightiest, long term is not something I would gamble on in the outback. (My paramedic GF's extended family all lived throughout Aus and she'd been there and seen much, more than a few times, before she met me.) |
If the USA attacked Australia, China would be the counter. Simple as that.
EricHiggin said:
It's still here and stronger than it was during the cold war era. China is becoming a threat which is why the trade war is happening. America has gotten too soft and has let China run wild, at America's own overall expense. |
The USA just doesn't seem as "impressive" as it used to be, it's influence is on the decline.
I think partly that is because of trump, he more like comedic relief in the political sphere on the world stage.
EricHiggin said:
He does have a choice, which is why he hasn't and isn't backing down and is pushing even harder. Rome wasn't built in a day.
One day another country will be on top, and China's growth will continue regardless, but depending on what happens with the American tariffs, it will either increase or decrease, more than potentially expected, depending on the outcome and any ripple effect.
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Only delaying the inevitable. The world will continue to do trade with China, especially as China is trading in Oil now.
EricHiggin said:
It is still the strongest military by far in spite of fluctuations. China's military is improving but has a long way to go.
Wages can only be kept so low for so long. Good that your relationship is friendly and mutual.
I don't see those historical ties changing anytime soon either. Unless of course China wins bigly and you side with them going forward. lol
We try and do the same but America is next door and while that's a good thing most of the time, it can be detrimental at times.
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China's manufacturing is it's biggest advantage... They can mass produce everything.
And because of it's massive population will always have low-paid wages to take advantage of.
