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I know some of you are trying a new joke, but now seriously, how many consoles (handhelds or home consoles) have sold around 15M finishing its 6th year(2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 6 complete years) at 300$ base price (in case PS4 does that at the end of 2019 which seems more than possible), after already sold almost 100M the year before....?. That's unprecedented. What Switch, 3DS, etc are doing.... is not.

This passive aggresive attitude in forums like this..., i can't understand it. How difficult it's to admit Switch is doing amazing and PS4 is doing it too, each on their own terms?.

On topic: People seem to not learn from last year when some people expected 20M sold for Switch, and even more and we are seeing again some predictions of 25-30M this year....Nintendo already said they expect to ship 17'5M this FY and that's what's going to happen. VGC correctly tracked Switch ending 2018 at about 29'5M sold to consumers with almost 3M units on shelves. So let's say Switch sells to consumers 3'5M this year at the end of March (which is the pace VGC is showing). That will put Switch around 33M sold to consumers by March end. So if they reach their target of 17'5M shipped for the FY that will put shipment almost at 35'0-35'5M. That's still 2'0-2'5M units on shelves, and at this period of the year that's a lot. So, maybe they won't reach the goal, or Switch is selling even better than VGC is showing. That's why we should wait first to see official shipment numbers before expecting what Switch is going to do in 2019 and beyond...And expecting Switch to sell from 16M in 2018 to more than 25M in 2019 is almost ridiculous....Let's see first if they can match a pace that take the console to 19-20M first.



DonFerrari said:

COKTOE said:

Wait. So, the PS4 is in it's 6th year?

   

Someone changed how we count years, so you are only in your 6th year after you enter the 7th.

What changed?  If you had a son born on November 15, 2013 and someone asked you today, "How old is your son?"  Would you answer "My son is 5 years old."  Or, "My son is 6 years old."  If you are calling him 6 years old when his 6th birthday is still 9 months away, then something is wrong.



Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Someone changed how we count years, so you are only in your 6th year after you enter the 7th.

What changed?  If you had a son born on November 15, 2013 and someone asked you today, "How old is your son?"  Would you answer "My son is 5 years old."  Or, "My son is 6 years old."  If you are calling him 6 years old when his 6th birthday is still 9 months away, then something is wrong.

That would be true if somebody asked how old the PS4 was. They're talking about which year it's in though, different question, different answer.

As for your example, that kid would be in his 6th year. 5 years old, but in his 6th year.

1st year: 15/11/13 - 14/11/14
2nd year: 15/11/14 -14/11/15
3rd year: 15/11/15 -14/11/16
4th year: 15/11/16 -14/11/17
5th year: 15/11/17 -14/11/18
6th year: 15/11/18 -14/11/19

Simple.



colafitte said:

I know some of you are trying a new joke, but now seriously, how many consoles (handhelds or home consoles) have sold around 15M finishing its 6th year(2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 6 complete years) at 300$ base price (in case PS4 does that at the end of 2019 which seems more than possible), after already sold almost 100M the year before....?. That's unprecedented. What Switch, 3DS, etc are doing.... is not.

This passive aggresive attitude in forums like this..., i can't understand it. How difficult it's to admit Switch is doing amazing and PS4 is doing it too, each on their own terms?.

On topic: People seem to not learn from last year when some people expected 20M sold for Switch, and even more and we are seeing again some predictions of 25-30M this year....Nintendo already said they expect to ship 17'5M this FY and that's what's going to happen. VGC correctly tracked Switch ending 2018 at about 29'5M sold to consumers with almost 3M units on shelves. So let's say Switch sells to consumers 3'5M this year at the end of March (which is the pace VGC is showing). That will put Switch around 33M sold to consumers by March end. So if they reach their target of 17'5M shipped for the FY that will put shipment almost at 35'0-35'5M. That's still 2'0-2'5M units on shelves, and at this period of the year that's a lot. So, maybe they won't reach the goal, or Switch is selling even better than VGC is showing. That's why we should wait first to see official shipment numbers before expecting what Switch is going to do in 2019 and beyond...And expecting Switch to sell from 16M in 2018 to more than 25M in 2019 is almost ridiculous....Let's see first if they can match a pace that take the console to 19-20M first.

Who hasnt admitted that PS4 & Switch are both doing great? You're taking offense to something that hasnt happened.

We're poking fun at people who keep bringing up age when its irrelevant to the discussion.

As for your long paragraph there are a few things that make no sense. This site didnt accurately track 29.5 million, it adjusted to that after shipment info released. And no 2-2.5 million is not alot on shelves for a console that sells 200-250k/week, that is actually pretty standard.



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colafitte said:

I know some of you are trying a new joke, but now seriously, how many consoles (handhelds or home consoles) have sold around 15M finishing its 6th year(2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 6 complete years) at 300$ base price (in case PS4 does that at the end of 2019 which seems more than possible), after already sold almost 100M the year before....?. That's unprecedented. What Switch, 3DS, etc are doing.... is not.

This passive aggresive attitude in forums like this..., i can't understand it. How difficult it's to admit Switch is doing amazing and PS4 is doing it too, each on their own terms?.

On topic: People seem to not learn from last year when some people expected 20M sold for Switch, and even more and we are seeing again some predictions of 25-30M this year....Nintendo already said they expect to ship 17'5M this FY and that's what's going to happen. VGC correctly tracked Switch ending 2018 at about 29'5M sold to consumers with almost 3M units on shelves. So let's say Switch sells to consumers 3'5M this year at the end of March (which is the pace VGC is showing). That will put Switch around 33M sold to consumers by March end. So if they reach their target of 17'5M shipped for the FY that will put shipment almost at 35'0-35'5M. That's still 2'0-2'5M units on shelves, and at this period of the year that's a lot. So, maybe they won't reach the goal, or Switch is selling even better than VGC is showing. That's why we should wait first to see official shipment numbers before expecting what Switch is going to do in 2019 and beyond...And expecting Switch to sell from 16M in 2018 to more than 25M in 2019 is almost ridiculous....Let's see first if they can match a pace that take the console to 19-20M first.

That 17.5m is for the fiscal year that ended yesterday.  The predictions for 25-30m is for the fiscal year that started today.



Evilms said:
It should be noted that the PS4 has entered its 6th year, it's impressive for such an old system.

The PS4 Pro entered its third year.



zorg1000 said:
colafitte said:

I know some of you are trying a new joke, but now seriously, how many consoles (handhelds or home consoles) have sold around 15M finishing its 6th year(2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 6 complete years) at 300$ base price (in case PS4 does that at the end of 2019 which seems more than possible), after already sold almost 100M the year before....?. That's unprecedented. What Switch, 3DS, etc are doing.... is not.

This passive aggresive attitude in forums like this..., i can't understand it. How difficult it's to admit Switch is doing amazing and PS4 is doing it too, each on their own terms?.

On topic: People seem to not learn from last year when some people expected 20M sold for Switch, and even more and we are seeing again some predictions of 25-30M this year....Nintendo already said they expect to ship 17'5M this FY and that's what's going to happen. VGC correctly tracked Switch ending 2018 at about 29'5M sold to consumers with almost 3M units on shelves. So let's say Switch sells to consumers 3'5M this year at the end of March (which is the pace VGC is showing). That will put Switch around 33M sold to consumers by March end. So if they reach their target of 17'5M shipped for the FY that will put shipment almost at 35'0-35'5M. That's still 2'0-2'5M units on shelves, and at this period of the year that's a lot. So, maybe they won't reach the goal, or Switch is selling even better than VGC is showing. That's why we should wait first to see official shipment numbers before expecting what Switch is going to do in 2019 and beyond...And expecting Switch to sell from 16M in 2018 to more than 25M in 2019 is almost ridiculous....Let's see first if they can match a pace that take the console to 19-20M first.

Who hasnt admitted that PS4 & Switch are both doing great? You're taking offense to something that hasnt happened.

We're poking fun at people who keep bringing up age when its irrelevant to the discussion.

As for your long paragraph there are a few things that make no sense. This site didnt accurately track 29.5 million, it adjusted to that after shipment info released. And no 2-2.5 million is not alot on shelves for a console that sells 200-250k/week, that is actually pretty standard.

I still think there's a lot of passive agressiveness in these forums that it's not needed. I think most people, not only about this topic but in other things, in order to defend something they attack what they consider its rival instead of just celebrate what their favorite thing is doing. Is just a "feeling" i wish it could be lessein this forum. We are a small group and we know most of each other at this time. Some prefer a console or another and base their opinion on that, and some others just give their honest opinion. In my case i did not take anything personal to be clear, i barely posted anything recently, but i wish we could just talk with respect, nothing else.

Why is not relevant to discuss how much old a console is? Are you the one deciding that?, Why is not relevant to put in perspective PS4 sales in 2019 because of age?? I consider very relevant in my opinion.

For last, they make sense. It was tracked accuarately to below 30M (it showed almost 31M at the end of 2018 before) because it was the right thing to do after Nintendo announced Switch has surpassed 30M sold to consumers at the end of Jan 2019, not because shipment numbers. And yes..., 2'5M on shelves in March is a lot. This is not holiday season. I even had discussions back in January with other posters saying 2'5M could be too much units on shelves for Q3, so imagine in Q4....

Let's see first if Nintendo announces 17'5M shipped for FY18 first...I'm only saying is not a guarantee yet.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
colafitte said:

I know some of you are trying a new joke, but now seriously, how many consoles (handhelds or home consoles) have sold around 15M finishing its 6th year(2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 6 complete years) at 300$ base price (in case PS4 does that at the end of 2019 which seems more than possible), after already sold almost 100M the year before....?. That's unprecedented. What Switch, 3DS, etc are doing.... is not.

This passive aggresive attitude in forums like this..., i can't understand it. How difficult it's to admit Switch is doing amazing and PS4 is doing it too, each on their own terms?.

On topic: People seem to not learn from last year when some people expected 20M sold for Switch, and even more and we are seeing again some predictions of 25-30M this year....Nintendo already said they expect to ship 17'5M this FY and that's what's going to happen. VGC correctly tracked Switch ending 2018 at about 29'5M sold to consumers with almost 3M units on shelves. So let's say Switch sells to consumers 3'5M this year at the end of March (which is the pace VGC is showing). That will put Switch around 33M sold to consumers by March end. So if they reach their target of 17'5M shipped for the FY that will put shipment almost at 35'0-35'5M. That's still 2'0-2'5M units on shelves, and at this period of the year that's a lot. So, maybe they won't reach the goal, or Switch is selling even better than VGC is showing. That's why we should wait first to see official shipment numbers before expecting what Switch is going to do in 2019 and beyond...And expecting Switch to sell from 16M in 2018 to more than 25M in 2019 is almost ridiculous....Let's see first if they can match a pace that take the console to 19-20M first.

That 17.5m is for the fiscal year that ended yesterday.  The predictions for 25-30m is for the fiscal year that started today.

Yeah, i understood that. So, to be clear, you were expecting 25-30M units sold or shipped??. Not that i agree with either but just to be clear.



colafitte said:
zorg1000 said:

Who hasnt admitted that PS4 & Switch are both doing great? You're taking offense to something that hasnt happened.

We're poking fun at people who keep bringing up age when its irrelevant to the discussion.

As for your long paragraph there are a few things that make no sense. This site didnt accurately track 29.5 million, it adjusted to that after shipment info released. And no 2-2.5 million is not alot on shelves for a console that sells 200-250k/week, that is actually pretty standard.

I still think there's a lot of passive agressiveness in these forums that it's not needed. I think most people, not only about this topic but in other things, in order to defend something they attack what they consider its rival instead of just celebrate what their favorite thing is doing. Is just a "feeling" i wish it could be lessein this forum. We are a small group and we know most of each other at this time. Some prefer a console or another and base their opinion on that, and some others just give their honest opinion. In my case i did not take anything personal to be clear, i barely posted anything recently, but i wish we could just talk with respect, nothing else.

Why is not relevant to discuss how much old a console is? Are you the one deciding that?, Why is not relevant to put in perspective PS4 sales in 2019 because of age?? I consider very relevant in my opinion.

For last, they make sense. It was tracked accuarately to below 30M (it showed almost 31M at the end of 2018 before) because it was the right thing to do after Nintendo announced Switch has surpassed 30M sold to consumers at the end of Jan 2019, not because shipment numbers. And yes..., 2'5M on shelves in March is a lot. This is not holiday season. I even had discussions back in January with other posters saying 2'5M could be too much units on shelves for Q3, so imagine in Q4....

Let's see first if Nintendo announces 17'5M shipped for FY18 first...I'm only saying is not a guarantee yet.

Not relevant was probably a poor choice of words, let me clarify.

You said the people making the jokes are being passive aggressive and need to accept that both PS4 & Switch are doing great but you ignore that some of the people bringing up age are doing it to either downplay Switch sales or to say that we shouldn't compare them when they had no issue with the comparisons in 2017 or 2018 when PS4 was on top.

Skeeuk said: Switch isn't the best performer here it's the PS4 in its 6th year. Yes 6th year.

Geralt99 said: By the end of the year, switch will beat ps4 by a million or 2 which is nothing special considering the popularity and portability factors of switch and the age of ps4.

Nate4Drake said: We continue to compare apples with oranges, and this will keep going for ever.  PS4 is an old Home Console, Switch a relatevely new portable from Nintendo. Can people realize that it is silly to compare sales of PS4 and Switch in 2019 and 2020 ?

How are we the ones who need to accept both are doing great when it's the people who bring up age that need a reason to justify Switch selling on par/better than PS4 this year?

The general rule of thumb has been to have ~10 weeks of stock on shelves so if a console is selling 200-250k/week than having 2-2.5m on shelves is right where it needs to be. And the forcast is 17m, not 17.5m

Last edited by zorg1000 - on 01 April 2019

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