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I will ask did the OP of this thread read the entire article. I guess you could take those comments out of context and paint it as some type of segregation or you could see it as this.

Peele made it clear that the opportunity to bring black people to a mainstream audience was simply one that he had to maximize because diversity wasn't prevalent in Hollywood in the past. "The way I look at it. I get to cast black people in my movies," he said. "I feel fortunate to be in this position where I can say to Universal, 'I want to make a $20 million horror movie with a black family.' And they say yes."

Either way, I highly doubt that there is a dearth of roles for white male actors where one director wanting to diversify the industry need to put a chip on each white person shoulders.



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DonFerrari said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
It really just sounds like white leads are not suited for the roles he's trying to create, I'm pretty sure Get Out and US are about the experience of black people, at least thematically.

Yes, sure. And if someone said he wouldn't ever hire anyone that isn't white because it wouldn't fit the type of story he wants to tell, there would be 0 calls of racism right?

Just like that game that passed during medieval Bohemia and had one reviewer complaining of the lack of black people and that he had one history researcher confirm to him that there was a possibility that could have been a black person in that area.

Or just like a recent preview of Days Gone that started complaining that the lead was a white gruffy male.

RJ_Sizzle said:

His wife and mother are white. It's nothing against you, personally. He's just making socially conscious films with minority leads like a lot of non-white filmmakers have made a career out of before.

Funny you say that, because in Brazil we have a president that his father in law is black and his best friend also is black, but is called racist. The VP is from black and indigenous heritage, and was claimed to be racist because he joked that his grandson is prettier because his skin was lighter.

People said Bolsonaro is racist because he said racist stuff in the past. That's his fault, that's kinda hard to put a cat back in the bag sometimes. Besides, having a black father-in-law and being half black isn't even remotely the same thing. 



First of all, Peele didn’t explicitly say that he would NEVER hire a white lead. He said that story has been told to death, and that his goal has always been to tell a story from a different perspective. The perspective of a person of color in America.

Get Out doesn’t have the same punch if the protagonist isn’t a PoC. It was more than a horror movie. It had a message to share about the experiences of a section of black Americans. That message is totally different with a white male lead. Heck, Black Panther, overrated as I feel it is, also carries a message that doesn’t work if it’s White African Panther. Like BanjoPickles said very well already, let an artist draw from the pallet of his or her own experiences without worrying about all this political correctness crap that ultimately doesn’t hurt anyone.



I mean, have you seen Get Out? Wouldn't really work with a white lead. He seems to clearly be attempting to make movies in which the race of the lead actor is relevant to the plot.



DonFerrari said:
"I don't see myself casting a white dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don't like white dudes," he said at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre in East Hollywood. "But I've seen that movie."

"Peele's statements shouldn't be misconstrued as segregative, because he has worked with white creatives before, especially for his Comedy Central work on Key & Peele, and it's also worth noting that his wife, Chelsea Peretti, is white. However, it's very clear, as per the impressive box office performance of Us, that there is a wide audience that wants more diverse movies and that's buying into his vision, even more so than the critically acclaimed Get Out."

These two parts of the report is the time of when said to other groups is considered a joke or dismissive "I don't hate gay, I even have a relative, or friend that is", "I'm not racist, I have a black friend".

The very fact that he wants to use skin color as reason to not hire someone would be deemed illegal in most countries, of course if subject of the profiling wasn't white.

It's also worth noting, that his mother is "white", and Peele himself is half Euro. Why his wife's ethnicity would trump those facts is beyond me. It feels at least equally worth addressing. If he were married to an an Inuit male would it weaken Peele's stance to never cast a white male lead in the eyes of this writer? Strengthen it?

Anyway, great news. I think we all know, the most important ingredient in any movie or TV show, aside from script, directing, acting cinematography editing and the soundtrack, is forced cast diversity, for the sake of diversity. As if "Black" hasn't become = to diversity in Hollywood in the last decade or so. What abut other ethnicities? Guess they better get their shit together and rise to prominence, because Jordan Peele from the article: "The way I look at it, I get to cast black people in my movies". BRA-VO....Do you have a patreon I can donate to?

JP's comments on potential leads reminds me of an old sign the Japanese put up in a Shanghai park during their occupation. "No dogs and no Chinsese allowed". When WAS the last Hollywood movie with even an Asian male lead, much less Chinese? Or the last Air Bud movie?

For the record, I like this dude. I have seen everything he's done on Mad TV, Key and Peele and liked most of it, as well as Get Out. I also really liked Keanu. Maybe even loved it. But the contents of this article are disappointing.



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COKTOE said:
DonFerrari said:
"I don't see myself casting a white dude as the lead in my movie. Not that I don't like white dudes," he said at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre in East Hollywood. "But I've seen that movie."

"Peele's statements shouldn't be misconstrued as segregative, because he has worked with white creatives before, especially for his Comedy Central work on Key & Peele, and it's also worth noting that his wife, Chelsea Peretti, is white. However, it's very clear, as per the impressive box office performance of Us, that there is a wide audience that wants more diverse movies and that's buying into his vision, even more so than the critically acclaimed Get Out."

These two parts of the report is the time of when said to other groups is considered a joke or dismissive "I don't hate gay, I even have a relative, or friend that is", "I'm not racist, I have a black friend".

The very fact that he wants to use skin color as reason to not hire someone would be deemed illegal in most countries, of course if subject of the profiling wasn't white.

It's also worth noting, that his mother is "white", and Peele himself is half Euro. Why his wife's ethnicity would trump those facts is beyond me. It feels at least equally worth addressing. If he were married to an an Inuit male would it weaken Peele's stance to never cast a white male lead in the eyes of this writer? Strengthen it?

Anyway, great news. I think we all know, the most important ingredient in any movie or TV show, aside from script, directing, acting cinematography editing and the soundtrack, is forced cast diversity, for the sake of diversity. As if "Black" hasn't become = to diversity in Hollywood in the last decade or so. What abut other ethnicities? Guess they better get their shit together and rise to prominence, because Jordan Peele from the article: "The way I look at it, I get to cast black people in my movies". BRA-VO....Do you have a patreon I can donate to?

JP's comments on potential leads reminds me of an old sign the Japanese put up in a Shanghai park during their occupation. "No dogs and no Chinsese allowed". When WAS the last Hollywood movie with an even an Asian lead, much less Chinese? Or the last Air Bud movie?

For the record, I like this dude. I have seen everything he's done on Mad TV, Key and Peele and liked most of it, as well as Get Out. I also really liked Keanu. Maybe even loved it. But the contents of this article are disappointing.

Whats disappointing.  That he wants to do a movie that doesn't use white male lead role.  What about that statement triggers you as I am guessing you are a white male.  Do you believe he write his characters in the movies he make as white male or he is relating his creativity to whatever ethic group he decides to create.  As his statement said, he has seen that type of movie.  He did not say he would not make movies with no white people in it or even having main roles.  

As to when was the last time you seen a role with with a Asian lead, you can say that for a lot of different ethic groups.  How many directors in Hollywood are Black, Asian, Hispanic you name it.  How many can actually come to the brass and say, I want to make this movie that has no white person in it and it cost 20 million.  How many of them have that pull.  The reason you do not see this is exactly what Peel is saying, you have to carve out that market because Hollywood is still about making money and diversity doesn't come because of some altruistic sentiment, it comes from success.



I mean, I totally get more representation from as many perspectives as posible is a good thing (though I'll always believe baked in traits like gender and skin color come secondary to personality, actions, behavior, life experiences, etc). But yeah, I get it. This demographic probably HAS been represented in abundance at this point.

What I don't get is why we have to shit on white dudes in the process? Though I get and agree with the underlying messages behind it, the way some of this rhetoric is worded is just divisive and provocative.

It's just like with Captain Marvel. Why not just leave it at "we need more representation of women, POC, gay, etc", rather than adding "less straight white guys! Don't care about straight white guys!" I mean jesus, straight white dudes are people too. They're not just your policial/sociological props to fling your shit at.

I also don't buy the implied notion that a protagonist must be a particular race/gender/sexual orientation, etc for the viewer to identify with them. Like, you can only connect to a fictional character if they share your genitals/skin color? What on earth kind of sense does that make? Hunger Games, for instance, is one of my favorite films of the past decade, and I enjoy the protagonist, Katniss, despite being a dude. It doesn't matter to me. What matters is if the character is relatable on a personal level, their experiences, how interesting and 3 dimensional they are, etc. And I suspect I'm not alone here. 

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DonFerrari said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
It really just sounds like white leads are not suited for the roles he's trying to create, I'm pretty sure Get Out and US are about the experience of black people, at least thematically.

"Yes, sure. And if someone said he wouldn't ever hire anyone that isn't white because it wouldn't fit the type of story he wants to tell, there would be 0 calls of racism right?"

I mean, it's certainly fair to suspect possible racism if a director never hires people of different races as lead characters. But there are a lot of directors that simply want to get a point across that stretches their entire filmography, their prolific and mostly focus on a few core concepts. This is also Jordan Peele's 2nd movie ... so ... 

"Just like that game that passed during medieval Bohemia and had one reviewer complaining of the lack of black people and that he had one history researcher confirm to him that there was a possibility that could have been a black person in that area."

And I don't agree with that either? Neither did most people I imagine. In fact if you're criticizing the reviewer for that comment because black people do not make sense for that setting, I'm not really sure why you wouldn't at least consider Peele's point in this regard. It really feels to me like you brought up this contrast as a gotcha but didn't consider how it reflected on your own ideals. Granted, there's a difference between something being more historically accurate and something being a creative endeavor. But I'm not really sure why either, inherently, are wrong. 

"Or just like a recent preview of Days Gone that started complaining that the lead was a white gruffy male."

I read that more so as a critique of generic tropes that make it harder to relate to or enjoy characters. Which is actually somewhat similar in-part to what Jordan was saying here. I think as much as we'd all like to pretend race doesn't exist, the skin color of characters kind of does relate to how generic they may be. It isn't nearly as important as writing or characterization (which ironically kind of was IGN's point when they later said how great the character was), but a character's design is ultimately something that goes in favor or against a character when it comes to how similar they are to other ones. 



If you switch "white" to "black" and think it's racist, it's because it is racist. Period.