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Immersiveunreality said:
o_O.Q said:
its just ironic that jussie smolettes is the kind of guy who would argue that america has a patriarchy that has built in structural racism and homophobia... and look at what happens... as a black homosexual he commits fraud to game the system with the expectation that he'll be scrutinised less because he's black and homosexual and then when he's caught he gets away with murder metaphorically

its just so amusingly ironic

It makes me sick how he now tributes to the dividing of people, he feeds racism and homophobia with his bs.

this is what people that constantly agitate for going overboard in the pursuit of ending discrimination do not understand - you leave the door wide open for trolls and insincere people to exploit the agenda for their own personal gain

look at what the notion of "believe women" has done, its now empowered many unscrupulous women to feign victimhood for personal gain because they know that they now have a cloak of invulnerability, ironically because of their sex from people who are trying to end sexism... its mindbogglingly incoherent



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https://youtu.be/LzejJ_IZBVU

Disgusting.



TallSilhouette said:

https://youtu.be/LzejJ_IZBVU

Disgusting.

She's such a POS. Dumb as a post too. I'm tempted to count how many times in that video, she flashes that stupid grin of hers while responding to a question with a non-answer.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

o_O.Q said:

this is what people that constantly agitate for going overboard in the pursuit of ending discrimination do not understand - you leave the door wide open for trolls and insincere people to exploit the agenda for their own personal gain

look at what the notion of "believe women" has done, its now empowered many unscrupulous women to feign victimhood for personal gain because they know that they now have a cloak of invulnerability, ironically because of their sex from people who are trying to end sexism... its mindbogglingly incoherent

The thing that some people don't understand is that there's a big gap between the extremes.  

"Believe women" doesn't mean believe every single woman regardless of their claims.  No one has claimed that woman's claims are a replacement for investigation.  The point is that someone's claims shouldn't simply be dismissed, (nor believed without evidence) but investigated.  



the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

this is what people that constantly agitate for going overboard in the pursuit of ending discrimination do not understand - you leave the door wide open for trolls and insincere people to exploit the agenda for their own personal gain

look at what the notion of "believe women" has done, its now empowered many unscrupulous women to feign victimhood for personal gain because they know that they now have a cloak of invulnerability, ironically because of their sex from people who are trying to end sexism... its mindbogglingly incoherent

The thing that some people don't understand is that there's a big gap between the extremes.  

"Believe women" doesn't mean believe every single woman regardless of their claims.  No one has claimed that woman's claims are a replacement for investigation.  The point is that someone's claims shouldn't simply be dismissed, (nor believed without evidence) but investigated.  

But the term "Believe women" is an extreme on itself that only focusses on one part of the problem as it only envelops one gender.

And if a term focusses on a problem that is common for both genders but chooses to only focus on one side of it then it can even be considered sexist,and it is a fractured point to make when you start it with dividing people.

Edit: everyone knows that people claims should not simple be dismissed nor believed without evidence but investigated but that is only logical and does not connect to the separation of genders within that term you defend so can you atleast explain why a "believe women" or a believe men" is needed but not just "believe people" ?

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Immersiveunreality said:

But the term "Believe women" is an extreme on itself that only focusses on one part of the problem as it only envelops one gender.

And if a term focusses on a problem that is common for both genders but chooses to only focus on one side of it then it can even be considered sexist,and to make the point you suggest women do not have to be singled out for it.

Some people think that those types of movements should be driven for the people that need them most.  (I don't agree with that though.)
They're not saying that men don't also have those issues, but that women tend to struggle with those kinds of things a bit more.  

The only reason I would consider a movement sexist for only focussing on one side, is if people on a side tend to diminish the bigger part of the issue.  

If people from a movement dedicated to men being open about being raped, started attacking women who got raped, then I'd at least start to question their intentions, I could see that movement being considered sexist.  



the-pi-guy said:
Immersiveunreality said:

But the term "Believe women" is an extreme on itself that only focusses on one part of the problem as it only envelops one gender.

And if a term focusses on a problem that is common for both genders but chooses to only focus on one side of it then it can even be considered sexist,and to make the point you suggest women do not have to be singled out for it.

Some people think that those types of movements should be driven for the people that need them most.  (I don't agree with that though.)
They're not saying that men don't also have those issues, but that women tend to struggle with those kinds of things a bit more.  

The only reason I would consider a movement sexist for only focussing on one side, is if people on a side tend to diminish the bigger part of the issue.  

If people from a movement dedicated to men being open about being raped, started attacking women who got raped, then I'd at least start to question their intentions, I could see that movement being considered sexist.  

Bolded: Nothing scientific to ever prove that claim,only emotions and even that thought can be considered sexist.If i tell you men tend to struggle more with those kind of things and maybe make a group of people to follow me would that be enough incentive for you to believe it?

Believe women is a slogan and not a movement,it is used by the overused "me too" movement but that does not make that slogan a movement.



Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded: Nothing scientific to ever prove that claim,only emotions and even that thought can be considered sexist.

Women are probably believed more on average, but they're definitely much more likely to be raped.  

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/sexual-assault-victims/

Immersiveunreality said:

If i tell you men tend to struggle more with those kind of things and maybe make a group of people to follow me would that be enough incentive for you to believe it?

Depends on how you framed it.  

I'd believe that the average woman has a harder time than the average man.  But the average male rape victim could have a harder time than the average female rape victim.  (Would be kind of terrible to try to quantify "harder time", but I digress...)

If you had something stronger than that, I'd need some proof.

Immersiveunreality said:

Believe women is a slogan and not a movement,it is used by the overused "me too" movement but that does not make that slogan a movement.

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This week in US politics.

US Department of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is cutting her departments annual grant of $15-18 million to the Special Olympics all while pushing for a $60 million increase in private charter school funding.

Pennsylvania state Representative Stephanie Borowicz gave a "God forgive us prayer" on the House floor prior to the swearing in of Movita Johnson-Harrell, the first Muslim women to join the state House.

Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks reads from Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' on the House floor in an attempt to denigrate Democrats and their democratic socialist polices.

The NRA was caught on camera by an undercover fake gun rights group attempting to donate $10-20 million to a real anti-Muslim Australian political party to buy 8 political seats in the Australian government.  Only relevant because the NRA is a US group.

Senator Mike Lee from Utah tried to downplay the democrat's Green New Deal by using pictures of a tauntaun from Star Wars, AquaMan, babies and even former president Ronald Reagan with a rocket launcher strapped to his back, shooting an Uzi while riding a velociraptor who is carrying a war torn US flag.



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SpokenTruth said:

This week in US politics.

US Department of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is cutting her departments annual grant of $15-18 million to the Special Olympics all while pushing for a $60 million increase in private charter school funding.

Pennsylvania state Representative Stephanie Borowicz gave a "God forgive us prayer" on the House floor prior to the swearing in of Movita Johnson-Harrell, the first Muslim women to join the state House.

Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks reads from Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' on the House floor in an attempt to denigrate Democrats and their democratic socialist polices.

The NRA was caught on camera by an undercover fake gun rights group attempting to donate $10-20 million to a real anti-Muslim Australian political party to buy 8 political seats in the Australian government.  Only relevant because the NRA is a US group.

Senator Mike Lee from Utah tried to downplay the democrat's Green New Deal by using pictures of a tauntaun from Star Wars, AquaMan, babies and even former president Ronald Reagan with a rocket launcher strapped to his back, shooting an Uzi while riding a velociraptor who is carrying a war torn US flag.

"US Department of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is cutting her departments annual grant of $15-18 million to the Special Olympics"

she's probably just trying to suppress the creation of unnatural hierarchies where there are a few winners and many many losers, so you should be in support of this

"Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks reads from Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' on the House floor in an attempt to denigrate Democrats and their democratic socialist polices."

how could he do that? this makes it sound like some of the policies of the democrats are similar to those of hitler

"Pennsylvania state Representative Stephanie Borowicz gave a "God forgive us prayer" on the House floor prior to the swearing in of Movita Johnson-Harrell, the first Muslim women to join the state House."

and i suppose the muslim lady is just naturally more tolerant of christians because we all know how much more tolerant islam is in general

"Senator Mike Lee from Utah tried to downplay the democrat's Green New Deal by using pictures of a tauntaun from Star Wars, AquaMan, babies and even former president Ronald Reagan with a rocket launcher strapped to his back, shooting an Uzi while riding a velociraptor who is carrying a war torn US flag."

...its what you call a joke