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NightlyPoe said:
SuperRetroTurbo said:
If anyone would like to discuss the US' judicial system, I'm all ears.

I was having a conversation this morning about it. At the end of the day, it's corrupt but to what extent?

Smollett turned the corruption to 11 I'd say.  Freakin' hell.  Dude could have literally started a riot.

 Business as usual here in Chicago. I can't say I'm too surprised. We're probably the corruption and scandal capital of the nation..

Also - the hate for Trump around these parts is palpable, borderline psychotic TDS. Probably damn near LA levels.



 

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TranceformerFX said:
SuperRetroTurbo said:
If anyone would like to discuss the US' judicial system, I'm all ears.

I was having a conversation this morning about it. At the end of the day, it's corrupt but to what extent?

Yeah, it's broke as f**k. Jussie Smollet just got away with faking a hate crime - scott free. And we'll never know why because they sealed ALL the documents pertaining to the case.

If that's not Hollywood privilege, then I don't know what the hell is. He was guilty as sin with concrete imlerimp evidence such as footage, transactions, confessions... And just like that, prosecutors dropped the case.

So basically, if you're black and in Hollywood - you're impervious to taking accountability for faking a hate crime as long as it's against Trump.

What bullshit...

Guilty verdicts for key media stars tied to big mainstream political issues aren't trending as of late.

Kav apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

Trump apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

So it only makes sense that since Smollett apparently was supposed to be guilty, he get's off scot-free.

Hard to argue with that logic, no? Maybe the world really is flat... and upside down.



SpokenTruth said:
TranceformerFX said:

Yeah, it's broke as f**k. Jussie Smollet just got away with faking a hate crime - scott free. And we'll never know why because they sealed ALL the documents pertaining to the case.

If that's not Hollywood privilege, then I don't know what the hell is. He was guilty as sin with concrete imlerimp evidence such as footage, transactions, confessions... And just like that, prosecutors dropped the case.

So basically, if you're black and in Hollywood - you're impervious to taking accountability for faking a hate crime as long as it's against Trump.

What bullshit...

He's been blacklisted in Hollywood.  He'll never get a solid acting gig again.

1.)  But you don't even know if that'll always be the case.  I can just as easily say his 'road to redemption' in the eyes of Hollywood's upper echelon is a few crying acts away from getting back in their good graces.  Hell, they may come to empathize with him if he spins this in a way of highlighting REAL hate crimes under Trump or whatever.  

I'm not saying this will happen, but only emphasizing that neither of us know the future.  Though Hollywood history seems to lean towards my hypothetical case.  Roman Polanski can still be well regarded in their circles despite doing something much worse.

2.)  But let's say that you're right and he'll remain blacklisted...

Why should that suffice in the face of SIXTEEN disorderly conduct charges and intentionally wasting public resources in one of America's most dangerous cities?  Doesn't this just further ingrain the notion that the uber-rich operate under a different legal standard?  

I doubt the majority of citizens would be fine with the extent of his punishment being no more 65k-per-episode gigs.



EricHiggin said:
TranceformerFX said:

Yeah, it's broke as f**k. Jussie Smollet just got away with faking a hate crime - scott free. And we'll never know why because they sealed ALL the documents pertaining to the case.

If that's not Hollywood privilege, then I don't know what the hell is. He was guilty as sin with concrete imlerimp evidence such as footage, transactions, confessions... And just like that, prosecutors dropped the case.

So basically, if you're black and in Hollywood - you're impervious to taking accountability for faking a hate crime as long as it's against Trump.

What bullshit...

Guilty verdicts for key media stars tied to big mainstream political issues aren't trending as of late.

Kav apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

Trump apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

So it only makes sense that since Smollett apparently was supposed to be guilty, he get's off scot-free.

Hard to argue with that logic, no? Maybe the world really is flat... and upside down.

As in any kind pursuit for justice, the difference is in the quality of evidence.

Kav and Trump were assumed guilty with no solid evidence linking them to the crime. There was an investigation and a lot of the evidence (w/c were shown to the public) were inconclusive.

Smollet was guilty as sin with a paper trail and witnesses. This was open and shut but the prosecutor just decided to drop the charges. Which made this look corrupt as heck.

Big difference here.



HylianSwordsman said:
jason1637 said:

Well you dont. If the government wants to fund a certain program them they should make a government program for it. Government money should be spent om government run programs and contracts only.

Like I said, if it's in the public interest, and they can run it better than a government program and without corporate greed, why not spend government money on a non-government organization? I mean it's our money, if that's how we want it spent (as a democratic whole, not as individuals obviously), then it should be spent that way.

But we never decided that we want our money spent that way. It was left up to those in congress and President.



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its just ironic that jussie smolettes is the kind of guy who would argue that america has a patriarchy that has built in structural racism and homophobia... and look at what happens... as a black homosexual he commits fraud to game the system with the expectation that he'll be scrutinised less because he's black and homosexual and then when he's caught he gets away with murder metaphorically

its just so amusingly ironic



o_O.Q said:
its just ironic that jussie smolettes is the kind of guy who would argue that america has a patriarchy that has built in structural racism and homophobia... and look at what happens... as a black homosexual he commits fraud to game the system with the expectation that he'll be scrutinised less because he's black and homosexual and then when he's caught he gets away with murder metaphorically

its just so amusingly ironic

It makes me sick how he now tributes to the dividing of people, he feeds racism and homophobia with his bs.



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jason1637 said:
HylianSwordsman said:

Like I said, if it's in the public interest, and they can run it better than a government program and without corporate greed, why not spend government money on a non-government organization? I mean it's our money, if that's how we want it spent (as a democratic whole, not as individuals obviously), then it should be spent that way.

But we never decided that we want our money spent that way. It was left up to those in congress and President.

Then tell them not to and vote them out if they don't listen.



DrDoomz said:
EricHiggin said:

Guilty verdicts for key media stars tied to big mainstream political issues aren't trending as of late.

Kav apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

Trump apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

So it only makes sense that since Smollett apparently was supposed to be guilty, he get's off scot-free.

Hard to argue with that logic, no? Maybe the world really is flat... and upside down.

As in any kind pursuit for justice, the difference is in the quality of evidence.

Kav and Trump were assumed guilty with no solid evidence linking them to the crime. There was an investigation and a lot of the evidence (w/c were shown to the public) were inconclusive.

Smollet was guilty as sin with a paper trail and witnesses. This was open and shut but the prosecutor just decided to drop the charges. Which made this look corrupt as heck.

Big difference here.

NightlyPoe said:
EricHiggin said:

Guilty verdicts for key media stars tied to big mainstream political issues aren't trending as of late.

Kav apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

Trump apparently was supposed to be guilty and yet get's off scot-free.

So it only makes sense that since Smollett apparently was supposed to be guilty, he get's off scot-free.

Hard to argue with that logic, no? Maybe the world really is flat... and upside down.

Yeah, no.  Smollett had a mountain of evidence against him, confessions from his co-conspirators, receipts for the items, signed checks, pictures of the co-conspirators with him, video evidence that showed him walking around calmly right after it allegedly happened, etc..  Plus his story was rather ridiculous to begin with starting with the premise that two guys were walking around Chicago on one of the coldest nights in years with a rope and a bottle containing some substance and recognized a B-List celebrity they could attack.

Kavanaugh had one woman making an allegation with details so vague that they could never be substantiated.

Trump just survived a two-year investigation which looked high and low for any evidence of guilt and couldn't find anything on him.

I wasn't serious, that's why I made the joke about why guilty verdicts aren't trending, as if the decisions are being made by the public socially. That and since it seemed like there was actually more than enough hard evidence against Smollett, and how he blamed the corrupt system, which is what it seems he used to get away with it, makes me wonder if the world really is flat and upside down, because the laws and rules don't seem to always apply, even though we're told they do.