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VideoGameAccountant said:
curl-6 said:

Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/08/donald-trump-capitol-impeachment-joe-biden-election-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

It would seem there are consequences for inciting a mob to storm congress. I'm sure the usual suspects will claim this is a violation of free speech, but sites like Twitter do not owe Trump a platform, especially if he's going to misuse it to incite violence and insurrection.

Truth be told, Twitter will likely decline as a platform. They don't want to admit it, but Trump was a big draw for Twitter. People forget the site was not expected to survive back in 2015 and 2016. Trump winning the presidency gave it a new life because lefties could complain on Trump's twitter feed. Now that's gone. Really, the site is going to start to dry up and will likely turn into Tumblr. Once the porn is banned, the site dies. Banning Trump wont be good for business. 

Truth be told, I'm not particularly bothered by the success or failure of Twitter. It's just good to see them no longer providing a platform for a maniac who incited an attempted coup that killed people.



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EricHiggin said:
JWeinCom said:

You are skipping the first question. We can get to the links in a moment, but it's important to establish this point. Again, please give me a yes or a no.

Does entities include states and have Democrats punished states in the past for not going along with their agenda when they've had control over both houses and the presidency?

I'm not. You're asking for a yes or no answer when it's not that simple in this regard. Yes or no answers tend to get asked for certain reasons coincidentally and I understand why, which is why I made it clear it was an opinion, like everyone's opinion's in here.

Even by answering yes, I couldn't directly point to anything that proves it beyond reasonable doubt because Dems nor the media are dumb enough to flat out say that they are doing something to specifically make a part of the Gov pay. Most of the time individuals who opposed my point wouldn't accept it either way.

Entities would basically include anything that could be made to pay. My point about making you pay never specified states, though states was mentioned in there because it was related, though it didn't directly mean each state as a sole separate entity. Making many individuals pay, especially of a certain political mindset, in a state with that same political leaning based on it's people, as per widespread understanding, wouldn't be any different as per what was meant.

"Prepare for the left's revenge." The odds this video and title would be broadcast today is quite coincidental. Made me chuckle. Though as the title states, prepare. The vid only covers a few things in general, like censorship, etc, in bits here and there throughout, but also includes a bunch of other non related topics. Typically this means there will be another episode not to far down the road that takes this thought process further being much more in depth. I'd suggest you don't bother going through any of it because it doesn't have anything tied to your specific question.

Hiku said:
EricHiggin said:

3:40-5:50 for Barbarian.

Barbarian and his buddy I'm not so sure about based on what's been brought up and shown about them and Antifa. Others are kinda suspect as well, and yes, I've seen the 'fact checks'.

Bro.... 2 minute Google search:

Barbarian is Jake Angeli. A Qanon far-right Trump supporter.



The other two you posted are identified as Matthew Heimbach and Jason Tankersley.

Far-right white nationalist neo-nazis.

The tattoo is from the videogame Dishonored.

You can't keep doing this, dude.
You're wasting people's time by not doing the bare minimum fact check 2 minute Google search.

Ryuu96 said:
EricHiggin said:

3:40-5:50 for Barbarian.

Barbarian and his buddy I'm not so sure about based on what's been brought up and shown about them and Antifa. Others are kinda suspect as well, and yes, I've seen the 'fact checks'.

Really hope your evidence that the Barbarian is Antifa isn't that cropped image of him at a BLM rally, which conveniently cuts out that he's holding a "Q Sent Me" sign, I skipped the video and did see that image, which led me to instantly dismiss the video, I ain't watching 22 minutes of conspiracy theory but as far as the Barbarian goes, easily debunked, he's a Qanon Trumper.

I did watch the 2nd video because it was short, in it they claim that the bearded dude is a guy called Jason Tankersley and their evidence that he is 'Antifa' is him being on a website called "PhillyAntifa" so I decided to go and check and shockingly (/s) turns out it's entirely inaccurate, he is actually on the website because they are outing him as a Nazi.

More to the point, they might not even be the same person anyway! The real Jason Tankersley posted on his very own Facebook that it wasn't him and he isn't in fact a member of Antifa, if you need even more evidence that they aren't the same person, they have completely different tattoos on their right hand (1, 2) and the dude doesn't even have long hair anymore.

Not going to bother with watching the rest of the video if these two were so easily debunked, baseless conspiracy theories, you're going to have to start actually doing some research Higgin and stop posting such easily disputed nonsense.

Edit - Hiku beat me to it. 

No need to bother because Eric will not be responding here.

I will "respond" as if it was towards Eric, but it's basically to explain the decision, and more meant for the community than Eric. To anyone who wants to complain he doesn't get a chance to respond, he's had at least 5, and that's the issue.

If you are making claims, you are obliged to present support for them. This is in our rules. This is especially true when you are saying something very inflammatory like the Democrats are going to punish anyone who dares go against them to the point where republican states might secede... That's something that needs to be backed up. Here is the quote in question.

"2 years of full Dem Gov control is going to cause major tension, but I don't see the disobedience from Rep states until they have some Fed Gov control again. Could very well end up like Obama's first term. The Dems won't just sit back and watch like Trump did. If you go against them they'll make you pay and make an example of you for other states who dare disobey. Unless it's a bunch of Rep states that do so in unison with the intention of separating if they can't come to terms, I think it would take a few years before any big moves were attempted on a political level."

First off this is clearly talking about states. Dunno why we're switching that up, except to make it a slightly less absurd argument. 

My question to you, whether or not this happened in the past, was a yes or no question. Either they have done that, or they have not. There is in fact NO POSSIBLE ANSWER to this question besides yes or no (well except I don't know, that's be valid). Your response is apparently suggesting that the Democrats may have done this in the past but did so without leaving any evidence. Which makes no fucking sense, because the point of this revenge was "to make an example of them". So, the democrats have attacked someone in a way that will be so obvious and harmful that others will be scared into compliance, and so extreme that it may lead to secession, yet it was done in a way that did not leave evidence. Dafuq? Did they beat Texas with a bag of oranges?

Also, nobody asked you for proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If you want to use legal terms, I was asking for a rational basis, which is a very low bar, and you couldn't even pass that. Pretending I was asking for an unreasonable amount of evidence is a dishonest way to avoid presenting ANY evidence. You also went to the old trope of "even if I did present the evidence those who oppose me wouldn't believe it". If that's how you feel, then no point posting here.

But this is not just about my post. @sundin13 and @IvorEvilen challenged you on the point that Trump just sat back and watched when people opposed him. Ivor in particular did so by providing actual examples, exactly the sort that you couldn't provide. They were ignored.

Then you made more claims that people at the Capitol were actually Antifa posing. When @Torillian debunked the claim, you did not in any way respond to his evidence, simply said "Oh I've seen the fact checks"... At that point, if you think his fact check is wrong, then you need to present counter evidence. For an example of that see @Hiku 's post. When you questioned his point about barbarian he didn't just say "oh you're wrong", he presented actual evidence about why your position was incorrect.

I am legitimately unsure if your posts are simply an effort to troll and waste people's time or if this is your best attempt at communicating, but it doesn't matter at this point. Your posts are adding nothing to the conversation, and users who in good faith are trying to argue against it are having their time wasted.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 09 January 2021

VideoGameAccountant said:
curl-6 said:

Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/08/donald-trump-capitol-impeachment-joe-biden-election-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

It would seem there are consequences for inciting a mob to storm congress. I'm sure the usual suspects will claim this is a violation of free speech, but sites like Twitter do not owe Trump a platform, especially if he's going to misuse it to incite violence and insurrection.

Truth be told, Twitter will likely decline as a platform. They don't want to admit it, but Trump was a big draw for Twitter. People forget the site was not expected to survive back in 2015 and 2016. Trump winning the presidency gave it a new life because lefties could complain on Trump's twitter feed. Now that's gone. Really, the site is going to start to dry up and will likely turn into Tumblr. Once the porn is banned, the site dies. Banning Trump wont be good for business. 

Bandorr said:

BIg tech tired of this shit.
Trump? Banned at Twitter, and twitch. Suspended (most likely indefinitely) at Facebook/Instragram. I think banned on youtube.

Parler? Dropped from apple AND google.

Oh and "DonaldTrump" the subreddit was banned at reddit.

Hate ain't great.

"Monopolistic practices are good because it hurts Orange man." This is the most braindead take I've seen in a while. 

Don't think this is monopolistic practice. If Apple and Google both individually decided that supporting this app was a bad idea for reasons other than Parler's potential as a rival (which I'm not sure how it works since to my knowledge neither has a rival social media platform), then that's perfectly acceptable business behavior.

If there is any legal issue, it's definitely not anti-trust. What is the anti-trust market here, and how are Google and Apple's actions preventing others from competing with them in that market?

Also, braindead take, is probably not the best response :).

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 09 January 2021

VideoGameAccountant said:
curl-6 said:

Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/08/donald-trump-capitol-impeachment-joe-biden-election-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

It would seem there are consequences for inciting a mob to storm congress. I'm sure the usual suspects will claim this is a violation of free speech, but sites like Twitter do not owe Trump a platform, especially if he's going to misuse it to incite violence and insurrection.

Truth be told, Twitter will likely decline as a platform. They don't want to admit it, but Trump was a big draw for Twitter. People forget the site was not expected to survive back in 2015 and 2016. Trump winning the presidency gave it a new life because lefties could complain on Trump's twitter feed. Now that's gone. Really, the site is going to start to dry up and will likely turn into Tumblr. Once the porn is banned, the site dies. Banning Trump wont be good for business. 

Bandorr said:

BIg tech tired of this shit.
Trump? Banned at Twitter, and twitch. Suspended (most likely indefinitely) at Facebook/Instragram. I think banned on youtube.

Parler? Dropped from apple AND google.

Oh and "DonaldTrump" the subreddit was banned at reddit.

Hate ain't great.

"Monopolistic practices are good because it hurts Orange man." This is the most braindead take I've seen in a while. 

THIS seems to be the main issue to me: iOS and Android are not platforms, they are operating systems. This is like Microsoft deciding you can't run XYZ on Windows. It's my device and my OS. I should be able to run code to hack the world's nuclear arsenals and cause doomsday if I freaking want to. Google has sideloading at least, but iOS? They clamp down on that! I do hope this does get brought up in court so Apple has to hand over the keys to the sideloading castle (and Google is forced to ease up on sideloading procedures). 

JWeinCom said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

Truth be told, Twitter will likely decline as a platform. They don't want to admit it, but Trump was a big draw for Twitter. People forget the site was not expected to survive back in 2015 and 2016. Trump winning the presidency gave it a new life because lefties could complain on Trump's twitter feed. Now that's gone. Really, the site is going to start to dry up and will likely turn into Tumblr. Once the porn is banned, the site dies. Banning Trump wont be good for business. 

Bandorr said:

BIg tech tired of this shit.
Trump? Banned at Twitter, and twitch. Suspended (most likely indefinitely) at Facebook/Instragram. I think banned on youtube.

Parler? Dropped from apple AND google.

Oh and "DonaldTrump" the subreddit was banned at reddit.

Hate ain't great.

"Monopolistic practices are good because it hurts Orange man." This is the most braindead take I've seen in a while. 

Don't think this is monopolistic practice. If Apple and Google both individually decided that supporting this app was a bad idea for reasons other than Parler's potential as a rival (which I'm not sure how it works since to my knowledge neither has a rival social media platform), then that's perfectly acceptable business behavior.

If there is any legal issue, it's definitely not anti-trust. What is the anti-trust market here, and how are Google and Apple's actions preventing others from competing with them in that market?

Also, braindead take, is probably not the best response :).

They don't have a platform. They have an OS, one with around half marketshare each and among them only one of them has access to sideloading without using sidestepping methods like AltStore. It's one thing if Apple doesn't want to distribute X on their OS, but they should let people add alternate sources with which to run content they wouldn't touch. An OS being treated like this is like applying console rules to a computer: it's unacceptable, no matter your rationale. My computer, my rules. 

Last edited by AsGryffynn - on 09 January 2021

Fox being Fox again.



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AsGryffynn said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

Truth be told, Twitter will likely decline as a platform. They don't want to admit it, but Trump was a big draw for Twitter. People forget the site was not expected to survive back in 2015 and 2016. Trump winning the presidency gave it a new life because lefties could complain on Trump's twitter feed. Now that's gone. Really, the site is going to start to dry up and will likely turn into Tumblr. Once the porn is banned, the site dies. Banning Trump wont be good for business. 

Bandorr said:

BIg tech tired of this shit.
Trump? Banned at Twitter, and twitch. Suspended (most likely indefinitely) at Facebook/Instragram. I think banned on youtube.

Parler? Dropped from apple AND google.

Oh and "DonaldTrump" the subreddit was banned at reddit.

Hate ain't great.

"Monopolistic practices are good because it hurts Orange man." This is the most braindead take I've seen in a while. 

THIS seems to be the main issue to me: iOS and Android are not platforms, they are operating systems. This is like Microsoft deciding you can't run XYZ on Windows. It's my device and my OS. I should be able to run code to hack the world's nuclear arsenals and cause doomsday if I freaking want to. Google has sideloading at least, but iOS? They clamp down on that! I do hope this does get brought up in court so Apple has to hand over the keys to the sideloading castle (and Google is forced to ease up on sideloading procedures). 

JWeinCom said:

Don't think this is monopolistic practice. If Apple and Google both individually decided that supporting this app was a bad idea for reasons other than Parler's potential as a rival (which I'm not sure how it works since to my knowledge neither has a rival social media platform), then that's perfectly acceptable business behavior.

If there is any legal issue, it's definitely not anti-trust. What is the anti-trust market here, and how are Google and Apple's actions preventing others from competing with them in that market?

Also, braindead take, is probably not the best response :).

They don't have a platform. They have an OS, one with around half marketshare each and among them only one of them has access to sideloading without using sidestepping methods like AltStore. It's one thing if Apple doesn't want to distribute X on their OS, but they should let people add alternate sources with which to run content they wouldn't touch. An OS being treated like this is like applying console rules to a computer: it's unacceptable, no matter your rationale. My computer, my rules. 

Uhhhh... ok? Whatever consumer rights argument you want to make has nothing to do with anti-trust law. I'm assuming you think it's wrong for a company to prevent sideloading whether they had 1% or 100% of the marketshare, so nothing to do with monopoly. 

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 09 January 2021

LMAO @ Eric,

This is the thought process of some trump supporters.... "Of course we didn't break in, it was all Antifa. Here look at our fake evidence". And the crowd goes with it. You should look up "confirmation bias". One of the driving forces for conspiracy theorist.



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JWeinCom said:
AsGryffynn said:

THIS seems to be the main issue to me: iOS and Android are not platforms, they are operating systems. This is like Microsoft deciding you can't run XYZ on Windows. It's my device and my OS. I should be able to run code to hack the world's nuclear arsenals and cause doomsday if I freaking want to. Google has sideloading at least, but iOS? They clamp down on that! I do hope this does get brought up in court so Apple has to hand over the keys to the sideloading castle (and Google is forced to ease up on sideloading procedures). 

JWeinCom said:

Don't think this is monopolistic practice. If Apple and Google both individually decided that supporting this app was a bad idea for reasons other than Parler's potential as a rival (which I'm not sure how it works since to my knowledge neither has a rival social media platform), then that's perfectly acceptable business behavior.

If there is any legal issue, it's definitely not anti-trust. What is the anti-trust market here, and how are Google and Apple's actions preventing others from competing with them in that market?

Also, braindead take, is probably not the best response :).

They don't have a platform. They have an OS, one with around half marketshare each and among them only one of them has access to sideloading without using sidestepping methods like AltStore. It's one thing if Apple doesn't want to distribute X on their OS, but they should let people add alternate sources with which to run content they wouldn't touch. An OS being treated like this is like applying console rules to a computer: it's unacceptable, no matter your rationale. My computer, my rules. 

Uhhhh... ok? Whatever consumer rights argument you want to make has nothing to do with anti-trust law. I'm assuming you think it's wrong for a company to prevent sideloading whether they had 1% or 100% of the marketshare, so nothing to do with monopoly. 

It does. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission

Now apply the logic to the App Store. It's the same issue here: an OS controls distribution of what's usable/unusable on their OS. Said OS is in a dominant position and other alternatives are either unrealistic or unpalatable (note that not once was the party involved told "you can use Linux/OS2 and even though alternatives were available, MSFTs dominant position meant they had to comply). 

MS released a version without WMP. Apple could be forced to release a version of iOS without the Apple App Store. 



Pemalite said:

Lets be realistic here... Trump was elected for the people, by the people.
Everything that has occurred over the last 4 years is the United States own fault, they voted for this.

Very hard disagree here.

The United States has NOT voted for Trump, a minority did. The system has been fucked over for decades by a minority. Fucked up in a way that lets the minority rule and disenfranchises everyone else. Every part in the US system, the economy, education, welfare, politics, everything is rigged up in a way that lets a minority rule while filling the people's brains with lies and propaganda to make them believe it's perfect that way. The American people are the victims here. That includes the majority of Republican voters wo have been brainwashed the most. They are living one of the worst lives but have been programmed to believe that it cannot be better or that a better life would be somehow worse for them.

If you want to blame someone then try the rich elites.

The average US citizen is not stupider or smarter than the average European citizen. We're all humans. The difference is the cult-like propaganda and the deprivation of education and support from the day they are born. Some are lucky enough to acquire the necessary tools to be able to break out of the cycle, but a lot of people are not.

Saying it's the people's fault is like saying it's the depressed person's fault for killing themselves.

Last edited by vivster - on 09 January 2021

If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

Happy the democrats have the senate, the house, and the white house, and a loud progressive wing in the congress. I will look at what that leads to in a year or so.