EricHiggin said:
JWeinCom said:
You are skipping the first question. We can get to the links in a moment, but it's important to establish this point. Again, please give me a yes or a no.
Does entities include states and have Democrats punished states in the past for not going along with their agenda when they've had control over both houses and the presidency?
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I'm not. You're asking for a yes or no answer when it's not that simple in this regard. Yes or no answers tend to get asked for certain reasons coincidentally and I understand why, which is why I made it clear it was an opinion, like everyone's opinion's in here.
Even by answering yes, I couldn't directly point to anything that proves it beyond reasonable doubt because Dems nor the media are dumb enough to flat out say that they are doing something to specifically make a part of the Gov pay. Most of the time individuals who opposed my point wouldn't accept it either way.
Entities would basically include anything that could be made to pay. My point about making you pay never specified states, though states was mentioned in there because it was related, though it didn't directly mean each state as a sole separate entity. Making many individuals pay, especially of a certain political mindset, in a state with that same political leaning based on it's people, as per widespread understanding, wouldn't be any different as per what was meant.
"Prepare for the left's revenge." The odds this video and title would be broadcast today is quite coincidental. Made me chuckle. Though as the title states, prepare. The vid only covers a few things in general, like censorship, etc, in bits here and there throughout, but also includes a bunch of other non related topics. Typically this means there will be another episode not to far down the road that takes this thought process further being much more in depth. I'd suggest you don't bother going through any of it because it doesn't have anything tied to your specific question.
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Hiku said:
EricHiggin said:
3:40-5:50 for Barbarian.
Barbarian and his buddy I'm not so sure about based on what's been brought up and shown about them and Antifa. Others are kinda suspect as well, and yes, I've seen the 'fact checks'.
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Bro.... 2 minute Google search:
Barbarian is Jake Angeli. A Qanon far-right Trump supporter.


The other two you posted are identified as Matthew Heimbach and Jason Tankersley.


Far-right white nationalist neo-nazis.
The tattoo is from the videogame Dishonored.

You can't keep doing this, dude. You're wasting people's time by not doing the bare minimum fact check 2 minute Google search.
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Ryuu96 said:
EricHiggin said:
3:40-5:50 for Barbarian.
Barbarian and his buddy I'm not so sure about based on what's been brought up and shown about them and Antifa. Others are kinda suspect as well, and yes, I've seen the 'fact checks'.
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Really hope your evidence that the Barbarian is Antifa isn't that cropped image of him at a BLM rally, which conveniently cuts out that he's holding a "Q Sent Me" sign, I skipped the video and did see that image, which led me to instantly dismiss the video, I ain't watching 22 minutes of conspiracy theory but as far as the Barbarian goes, easily debunked, he's a Qanon Trumper.

I did watch the 2nd video because it was short, in it they claim that the bearded dude is a guy called Jason Tankersley and their evidence that he is 'Antifa' is him being on a website called "PhillyAntifa" so I decided to go and check and shockingly (/s) turns out it's entirely inaccurate, he is actually on the website because they are outing him as a Nazi.
More to the point, they might not even be the same person anyway! The real Jason Tankersley posted on his very own Facebook that it wasn't him and he isn't in fact a member of Antifa, if you need even more evidence that they aren't the same person, they have completely different tattoos on their right hand (1, 2) and the dude doesn't even have long hair anymore.
Not going to bother with watching the rest of the video if these two were so easily debunked, baseless conspiracy theories, you're going to have to start actually doing some research Higgin and stop posting such easily disputed nonsense.
Edit - Hiku beat me to it.
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No need to bother because Eric will not be responding here.
I will "respond" as if it was towards Eric, but it's basically to explain the decision, and more meant for the community than Eric. To anyone who wants to complain he doesn't get a chance to respond, he's had at least 5, and that's the issue.
If you are making claims, you are obliged to present support for them. This is in our rules. This is especially true when you are saying something very inflammatory like the Democrats are going to punish anyone who dares go against them to the point where republican states might secede... That's something that needs to be backed up. Here is the quote in question.
"2 years of full Dem Gov control is going to cause major tension, but I don't see the disobedience from Rep states until they have some Fed Gov control again. Could very well end up like Obama's first term. The Dems won't just sit back and watch like Trump did. If you go against them they'll make you pay and make an example of you for other states who dare disobey. Unless it's a bunch of Rep states that do so in unison with the intention of separating if they can't come to terms, I think it would take a few years before any big moves were attempted on a political level."
First off this is clearly talking about states. Dunno why we're switching that up, except to make it a slightly less absurd argument.
My question to you, whether or not this happened in the past, was a yes or no question. Either they have done that, or they have not. There is in fact NO POSSIBLE ANSWER to this question besides yes or no (well except I don't know, that's be valid). Your response is apparently suggesting that the Democrats may have done this in the past but did so without leaving any evidence. Which makes no fucking sense, because the point of this revenge was "to make an example of them". So, the democrats have attacked someone in a way that will be so obvious and harmful that others will be scared into compliance, and so extreme that it may lead to secession, yet it was done in a way that did not leave evidence. Dafuq? Did they beat Texas with a bag of oranges?
Also, nobody asked you for proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If you want to use legal terms, I was asking for a rational basis, which is a very low bar, and you couldn't even pass that. Pretending I was asking for an unreasonable amount of evidence is a dishonest way to avoid presenting ANY evidence. You also went to the old trope of "even if I did present the evidence those who oppose me wouldn't believe it". If that's how you feel, then no point posting here.
But this is not just about my post. @sundin13 and @IvorEvilen challenged you on the point that Trump just sat back and watched when people opposed him. Ivor in particular did so by providing actual examples, exactly the sort that you couldn't provide. They were ignored.
Then you made more claims that people at the Capitol were actually Antifa posing. When @Torillian debunked the claim, you did not in any way respond to his evidence, simply said "Oh I've seen the fact checks"... At that point, if you think his fact check is wrong, then you need to present counter evidence. For an example of that see @Hiku 's post. When you questioned his point about barbarian he didn't just say "oh you're wrong", he presented actual evidence about why your position was incorrect.
I am legitimately unsure if your posts are simply an effort to troll and waste people's time or if this is your best attempt at communicating, but it doesn't matter at this point. Your posts are adding nothing to the conversation, and users who in good faith are trying to argue against it are having their time wasted.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 09 January 2021