KiigelHeart said:
Yes, important correction, thanks. It absolutely does matter how Rittenhouse had a reason to believe he was in danger. And I'm almost certain jury will see this as a reasonable person's perception. He was the one who was attacked and then chased by a mob that eventually kicked him in the head, hit his head with a skateboard, tried to take his weapon and one of them was armed. Anyone in that situation would think they're at a risk of being badly beaten or maybe even killed.. It's quite obvious you don't look at the situation objectively. A reasonable person who witnesses a homicide would call the police and try to warn others. Rittenhouse running away while telling them he's going to cops doesn't look like an imminent threat to people around him. He's not shooting around like a mass murdered would be doing, not even pointing the gun at anyone. A reasonable person wouldn't escalate the situation further by jumping on a man with assault rifle, by doing that they're literally putting themselves and others in greater danger. Only an idiot would do it unless absolutely necessary. If Rittenhouse did remain at the scene who knows how ugly it would've got. Lastly, I'd appreciate if you can provide an example of someone surrendering their right to self-defence in similar manner as you describe. Because I find it hard to believe that's how it works. Imagine being attacked and you lawfuly (jury is still out in this case) defend yourself and flee, then you should be expected to submit to possibly being killed or injured, because the people chasing you might be trying to lawfully attack you.. does this sound right to you? |
This is why we are hear today arguing about intent. Case in point. I could take my Assault Rifle and walk right downtown where I live with it in my hand prepared to shoot. Someone else can have their gun out at the same time and walk towards me. In that instance, I can believe that I am in danger and shoot that person and claim self defense even though I do not know the intent of that person. Right to carry laws put strict measures on individuals and the use of deadly force. Some one throwing stuff at you probably doesn't merit killing them. Someone shooting at you or coming at you with a deadly weapon does. The first person who he shot did not have a deadly weapon or any weapon at all. This right here will be the big problem since he used deadly force. The law is pretty clear when you can use deadly force and after killing the first person, self defense goes out the window. Even then, we do not know what provoked the people chasing him. This will be crucial because if he instigated the issue, this will also nullify self defense. Living in a open carry state, crap like this F things up for all of us. Just because you have a right to carry a gun means you really have to be responsible when you decide to use it. This is why you do not let minor carry without adult supervision and you definitely do not let them believe they are Rambo in a situation with no gain.