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sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Its about racism. They believe America is a racist country and they are angry. I dont blame them, the media and many progressives make it look that way.

Reality has a way of making things look that way too. That said, racism and police brutality are inextricably linked. Of course one will be relevant when speaking about the other. 

Its always that way about everything. Racism and politics are linked. Racism and food mascots are linked. Racism and the corona virus are linked. Racism and micro aggressions are linked. 

It is in everything if you look hard enough. 

Racism will never truly go away. Not because people are becoming more racist, but because racism is a very lucrative business for some. 



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KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

Reality has a way of making things look that way too. That said, racism and police brutality are inextricably linked. Of course one will be relevant when speaking about the other. 

Its always that way about everything. Racism and politics are linked. Racism and food mascots are linked. Racism and the corona virus are linked. Racism and micro aggressions are linked. 

It is in everything if you look hard enough. 

Racism will never truly go away. Not because people are becoming more racist, but because racism is a very lucrative business for some. 

So why are you so worked up about those fighting against it?



sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Its always that way about everything. Racism and politics are linked. Racism and food mascots are linked. Racism and the corona virus are linked. Racism and micro aggressions are linked. 

It is in everything if you look hard enough. 

Racism will never truly go away. Not because people are becoming more racist, but because racism is a very lucrative business for some. 

So why are you so worked up about those fighting against it?

Fighting against what? We are down to food mascots and Hollywood millionaires complaining they arent getting more roles and paid more millions.



So the NBA teams that were scheduled to play today boycotted their games to protest the shooing of Jacob Blake and calling for racial equality.
Today's games have been postponed and there's a good chance the same will happen tomorrow as well.

This can't be ignored anymore.



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

So why are you so worked up about those fighting against it?

Fighting against what? We are down to food mascots and Hollywood millionaires complaining they arent getting more roles and paid more millions.

We aren't though. Modern racism and the weight of past racism still very much have an affect on America. Did you just up and forget that we've been talking about police brutality for months now, or are you so willing to ignore it that it slips from your mind the instant you blink?



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sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Fighting against what? We are down to food mascots and Hollywood millionaires complaining they arent getting more roles and paid more millions.

We aren't though. Modern racism and the weight of past racism still very much have an affect on America. Did you just up and forget that we've been talking about police brutality for months now, or are you so willing to ignore it that it slips from your mind the instant you blink?

Yeah, I tend to forget that police brutality=racism. Wonder why... 



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

We aren't though. Modern racism and the weight of past racism still very much have an affect on America. Did you just up and forget that we've been talking about police brutality for months now, or are you so willing to ignore it that it slips from your mind the instant you blink?

Yeah, I tend to forget that police brutality=racism. Wonder why... 

Yeah, seems like you should be able to notice that there are deep systemic issues in our policing system causing black people to be disproportionately targeted by the police, and our criminal justice system which gives black people longer sentences for the same crimes and even our laws, many of which were built on a foundation of racism such as the criminalization of marijuana and the crack/powder cocaine sentencing disparity...

Seems like that would be hard to miss if you weren't purposely closing your eyes to it...



Hiku said:
KLXVER said:

Says the guy who ignores the part where George Floyd resisted arrest...

Not saying it was justified, but had he gotten into the police car he would still be alive today. 

Resisting arrest is not a reason to kill someone. Officers should not shoot someone in the back 7 times because they think maybe they are going to a gun. It's a dangerous job. If they cannot put themselves at any risk before opening fire then they should not have applied in the first place.

George Floyd was under control, but they still managed to find a way to kill him. This is one of many reasons why some people are understandably afraid of the police, even if they surrender. We've had many stories of people getting killed for no good reason, like holding a phone in their hand in their own backyard, sleeping in their own bed, or when they comply, like that one black caretaker of an autistic patient a few years ago, who got down on the ground with his arms out and pleaded with them to not hurt the autistic guy that was playing with a toy fire truck (which someone mistook for a gun and called the cops). Then a cop shot the caretaker in the leg, for no reason. I believe the official explanation was that it was an accident. Not much comfort there, because it could have hit a vital organ.

Anyway, people also die in police custody. Between 2007-2010, 17,358 individuals were estimated to have died in custody in USA. The causes for death in police custody may range from suspected homicide by members of the police, killings by other inmates, death due to psychological or physical abuse, capital punishment, to suicide, accidental death, (Like Weinstein and Epstein) or natural causes. 

This is from Belgium, but since it's in custody, I thought it's suiting for the subject.

Unsavory people that want to hurt or kill are attracted to law enforcement positions for obvious reasons. And they, along with incompetent people that should have been weeded out at the police academy, are part of why these things happen, and why people are afraid of being arrested.

KLXVER said:

Thats long gone. This stopped being about police brutality a long time ago.

Let's not speak for protesters when they themselves continually say that this is at the core of their cause. The people that were maimed and brutalized during the protests by the police did not get justice. The ones who lost their eyes did not get their eyes back, and the police officers responsible were not arrested, partially because they make it difficult to identify them while they are committing crimes by covering their badges and face, on top of having 'qualified immunity' while using weapons they themselves classify as deadly (when used against the police) to 'control' crowds. It's a system that leads to avoidable injuries/death with a lack of accountability, and people want that to change.
In all likelihood, if there weren't hundreds of recorded cases of police brutality during a police brutality protest, this would have probably ended a long time ago with just George Floyd's killers getting sentenced. But then police showed us in broad daylight how they behave when they're supposed to be on their best behavior when they know the whole world is watching. And that's what was so shocking to a lot of people.

Im not saying its justified at all. Im just saying dont resist arrest and you will most likely be fine. Then you can take the cops to court afterwards if you feel you have been wronged.



sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, I tend to forget that police brutality=racism. Wonder why... 

Yeah, seems like you should be able to notice that there are deep systemic issues in our policing system causing black people to be disproportionately targeted by the police, and our criminal justice system which gives black people longer sentences for the same crimes and even our laws, many of which were built on a foundation of racism such as the criminalization of marijuana and the crack/powder cocaine sentencing disparity...

Seems like that would be hard to miss if you weren't purposely closing your eyes to it...

Like I have said before. More unarmed white people are killed by police every year. Now you can argue poor training or excessive training to the point of paranoia, but its not racism. 

Now black people getting longer sentences is something I can agree on. Why that is, I dont know, but it should be investigated more.



KLXVER said:

Im not saying its justified at all. Im just saying dont resist arrest and you will most likely be fine. Then you can take the cops to court afterwards if you feel you have been wronged.

But why does any of this actually matter?

Like, "How Not To Get Murdered" pro tips are great and all but what point are you trying to make? Unless you are justifying the killings, what are you arguing?