Peh said:
Snoopy said:

Okay, a lot less than a percent. Glad we are destroying everything for a death rate that is about the same as every day tasks like driving a car and walking down the street.

How would not a lockdown save the economy if you risk everyone getting infected? Hospitals have a capacity limit. If everyone gets infected you will risk a complete shutdown and a way higher death rate. Also, the issue with this virus is not that it is lethal for some but that in can spread during the incubation time without you showing any symptoms. And that is during a time window of 2 weeks. 

Most people who get infected don't show any severe symptoms or won't die from the virus. Mostly those with a weak immune system or elderly people are dying from the virus. If you fall into those categories, then you should stay home. Everyone else didn't have to because there was no way we can sustain this lockdown for a long time.

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I think the lockdowns were crucial but now we have to start opening up. Cities that get out of hand can scale back some again if needed. The entire purpose of lockdown was that the hospital weren't overloaded. Still certain areas in US that hospitals are strained but not as bad as before. The lockdown helped the medical field time to figure out all the symptoms and what treatments work and don't work. I know one treatment that isn't helping but the president keeps blabbering about. Hopefully he will stay on his daily regimen.



Snoopy said:
Peh said:

How would not a lockdown save the economy if you risk everyone getting infected? Hospitals have a capacity limit. If everyone gets infected you will risk a complete shutdown and a way higher death rate. Also, the issue with this virus is not that it is lethal for some but that in can spread during the incubation time without you showing any symptoms. And that is during a time window of 2 weeks. 

Most people who get infected don't show any severe symptoms or won't die from the virus. Mostly those with a weak immune system or elderly people are dying from the virus. If you fall into those categories, then you should stay home. Everyone else didn't have to because there was no way we can sustain this lockdown for a long time.


Symptons can be minor (stay at home) or critical (stay at the hospital). You can also have very slight to no symptoms, at all. Yet, all of them do spread the virus.

So, do you let sick people go to work and risk an infection of all your employees?



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Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

Dudes these people arent just percentages. Close too 100,000 people dead. Think about that number dude. Imagine how many families and friends are grieving right now. Now without lockdowns it could be in the millions which would be even more heartbreaking. 

Also driving a car and walking were not illegal. You can still do these things with lockdowns. 

Dude imagine the hundreds of millions of people losing everything and possibly going homeless. Not to mention the suicides, anxiety, heart attacks from financial stress, and death from the increase in criminal activities, ect. Whether you like it or not, the economy has a bigger impact on people lives than the coronavirus.

Only in 3rd world countries like the US, though. Many first world countries locked down even harder and they're doing still very much fine.



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vivster said:
coolbeans said:

Ah the good 'ole "Black Republicans = Uncle Tom" trope comes slithering back into frame.

It actually has not much to do with color. What Biden means is perfectly encapsulated in this subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/

tldr; it's not a good idea to vote for a politician who wants only the worst for you.

Okay.  I'll give credit that you're not taking the more pernicious line of thinking there.  

The problem being: this is where boldly attesting this behavior runs into huge speed bumps when actually looking at raw data before this pandemic.  For someone who seems intent on wanting the worst against blacks, you're totally blundering your intent when historically low black unemployment happens during your "reign."  Not to mention in relation to the most productive of any racial category, taking a more adversarial stance on regulations gets you to net talking points like black/Hispanic entrepreneurship.  You've gotta be a huge fuck-up to have such egregious intent and fumble this hard on something that's been historically so easy to do in the US. 

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Peh said:
Snoopy said:

Most people who get infected don't show any severe symptoms or won't die from the virus. Mostly those with a weak immune system or elderly people are dying from the virus. If you fall into those categories, then you should stay home. Everyone else didn't have to because there was no way we can sustain this lockdown for a long time.


Symptons can be minor (stay at home) or critical (stay at the hospital). You can also have very slight to no symptoms, at all. Yet, all of them do spread the virus.

So, do you let sick people go to work and risk an infection of all your employees?

Isn't that exactly what is going to happened no matter what?



Snoopy said:
Peh said:


Symptons can be minor (stay at home) or critical (stay at the hospital). You can also have very slight to no symptoms, at all. Yet, all of them do spread the virus.

So, do you let sick people go to work and risk an infection of all your employees?

Isn't that exactly what is going to happened no matter what?

No. With a lockdown, you try to keep the infection rate as low as possible so your hospitals don't run out of space. Otherwise, everyone who is in a critical health state can't be treated and will highly likely die. Death rates will be way way higher by then. And with more people getting infected and more people dying, your state will shutdown at some point affecting everyone.



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jason1637 said:

No were starting to reopen because states have enough ppe and other suppliers to make sure their healthcare system isn't overun. We needed the lockdown to buy us time ao our systems can handle the influx of people so less people can die.

And it doesn't matter if these people had underling issues they are still people and deserve the rigjt to life and we shouldn't throw them under the bus. You can believe in  natural selection if you want but because of the lockdowns states were able to be better equipped to handle "natural selection ".

Hospitals are still and always will be overrun thanks to ridiculous government regulations put in the first place with or without lockdown. There is no way around this issue unless the government ends a lot of these silly over the top laws and don't embrace the free market. This is why healthcare is so expensive in the first place.

Well they are in a much better position now. More PPE, ventilaters, beds etc.



jason1637 said:
Snoopy said:

Hospitals are still and always will be overrun thanks to ridiculous government regulations put in the first place with or without lockdown. There is no way around this issue unless the government ends a lot of these silly over the top laws and don't embrace the free market. This is why healthcare is so expensive in the first place.

Well they are in a much better position now. More PPE, ventilaters, beds etc.

Nope, they are going to be in a much worse position because the economy tanked which leads to more people going to doctors/hospital due to many issues such as and not limited to  mental issues, stress heart attacks, people prolonging issues, ect. Not to mention people won't be able to pay their bills causing hospitals to bleed resources.



Snoopy said:
jason1637 said:

Well they are in a much better position now. More PPE, ventilaters, beds etc.

Nope, they are going to be in a much worse position because the economy tanked which leads to more people going to doctors/hospital due to many issues such as and not limited to  mental issues, stress heart attacks, people prolonging issues, ect. Not to mention people won't be able to pay their bills causing hospitals to bleed resources.

Well according to the CDC no such thing happened during the last recession. Rates stayed flat.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db182.htm