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Zoombael said:
KLXVER said:

Well if you can show me an arrest where the criminal complies and are still shot dead, then Ill agree with you.

Joseph Hutcheson, 2015. He wasn't shot dead, but his story is very similar to George Floyds. He was intoxicated, several officers tried to apprehend him, one officer kneels on his neck, he dies. The victim is white, the officer who applied the knee hold is black and he didn't get his own wikipedia page.

"The Dallas County medical examiner's office concluded that Hutcheson died from the combined toxic effects of cocaine and methamphetamine, compounded by heart problems due to high blood pressure and the stress to his body associated with the struggle with sheriff's deputies and being restrained by handcuffs. His death was ruled a homicide."

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/dallas/article84117037.html

Maybe if the mainstream media mentioned these situations once in a while, cities wouldnt be burning. We would have some balance and all Americans could fight these kinda things together. But of course the whole thing has become about race.



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KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

Unless...

Unless...the police car was on fire?

Freddie Gray was thrown into the back of a police van. The police did not follow their own policy (which was recently implemented due to other transport related injuries) and did not secure him in the van. Upon arriving at the destination, he was found in a coma from traumatic spinal injury due to injuries sustained during transport. He later died.

KLXVER said:
Zoombael said:

Joseph Hutcheson, 2015. He wasn't shot dead, but his story is very similar to George Floyds. He was intoxicated, several officers tried to apprehend him, one officer kneels on his neck, he dies. The victim is white, the officer who applied the knee hold is black and he didn't get his own wikipedia page.

"The Dallas County medical examiner's office concluded that Hutcheson died from the combined toxic effects of cocaine and methamphetamine, compounded by heart problems due to high blood pressure and the stress to his body associated with the struggle with sheriff's deputies and being restrained by handcuffs. His death was ruled a homicide."

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/dallas/article84117037.html

Maybe if the mainstream media mentioned these situations once in a while, cities wouldnt be burning. We would have some balance and all Americans could fight these kinda things together. But of course the whole thing has become about race.

The fuck? This is all the more reason why we should be taking to the streets....



Zoombael said:
KLXVER said:

Well if you can show me an arrest where the criminal complies and are still shot dead, then Ill agree with you.

Joseph Hutcheson, 2015. He wasn't shot dead, but his story is very similar to George Floyds. He was intoxicated, several officers tried to apprehend him, one officer kneels on his neck, he dies. The victim is white, the officer who applied the knee hold is black and he didn't get his own wikipedia page.

"The Dallas County medical examiner's office concluded that Hutcheson died from the combined toxic effects of cocaine and methamphetamine, compounded by heart problems due to high blood pressure and the stress to his body associated with the struggle with sheriff's deputies and being restrained by handcuffs. His death was ruled a homicide."

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/dallas/article84117037.html

One gets a wikipedia page, the other doesn't, timing and accumulated frustration probably has a lot to do with it. Race does too. I don't think either victim would care much for wikipedia pages though. Neither should we. We should focus on what moves the debate forward, what solutions can we find.



sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Unless...the police car was on fire?

Freddie Gray was thrown into the back of a police van. The police did not follow their own policy (which was recently implemented due to other transport related injuries) and did not secure him in the van. Upon arriving at the destination, he was found in a coma from traumatic spinal injury due to injuries sustained during transport. He later died.

KLXVER said:

Maybe if the mainstream media mentioned these situations once in a while, cities wouldnt be burning. We would have some balance and all Americans could fight these kinda things together. But of course the whole thing has become about race.

The fuck? This is all the more reason why we should be taking to the streets....

Thats long gone. This stopped being about police brutality a long time ago. Maybe you still care, but thats not the agenda of the people still protesting.



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

Freddie Gray was thrown into the back of a police van. The police did not follow their own policy (which was recently implemented due to other transport related injuries) and did not secure him in the van. Upon arriving at the destination, he was found in a coma from traumatic spinal injury due to injuries sustained during transport. He later died.

The fuck? This is all the more reason why we should be taking to the streets....

Thats long gone. This stopped being about police brutality a long time ago. Maybe you still care, but thats not the agenda of the people still protesting.

Bullshit.

It is obviously bigger than that, but police brutality is at the core of these protests.



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sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Thats long gone. This stopped being about police brutality a long time ago. Maybe you still care, but thats not the agenda of the people still protesting.

Bullshit.

It is obviously bigger than that, but police brutality is at the core of these protests.

Well think what you will. More innocent people have been killed in these so called protests than the police could even dream of doing in a mere 3 months.



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

Bullshit.

It is obviously bigger than that, but police brutality is at the core of these protests.

Well think what you will. More innocent people have been killed in these so called protests than the police could even dream of doing in a mere 3 months.

What is your point? Spell it out for me.



sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

Well think what you will. More innocent people have been killed in these so called protests than the police could even dream of doing in a mere 3 months.

What is your point? Spell it out for me.

Its about racism. They believe America is a racist country and they are angry. I dont blame them, the media and many progressives make it look that way.



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

What is your point? Spell it out for me.

Its about racism. They believe America is a racist country and they are angry. I dont blame them, the media and many progressives make it look that way.

Reality has a way of making things look that way too. That said, racism and police brutality are inextricably linked. Of course one will be relevant when speaking about the other. 



KLXVER said:
sundin13 said:

Bullshit.

It is obviously bigger than that, but police brutality is at the core of these protests.

Well think what you will. More innocent people have been killed in these so called protests than the police could even dream of doing in a mere 3 months.

The protests are against multiple things: Police brutality, racism and Trump, and they are for the right to protest, which has been under attack recently.
There areriots, lootings and violence, sure. People are frustrated, nothing has happened to improve the problems for decades, and now people are getting homeless and hungry because of the financial situation as well.

The President does the only thing he seems to be capable of: Feed into the division, escalate the conflict. Send in the troops and motivate his supporters to show up at the protests with weapons. He is turning the americans against each other, when he should try to unite them. This is why it is turning ugly.