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DraconianAC said:
uran10 said:

Its over, lol Its pretty much over lol. Bernie winning the the first 3 states and if he goes on to win SC over Biden its over. We're so close to a Bernie Nomination. Sooo close!

Its NOT over. The corporate media establishment is not going to give him an inch; these attack dogs are going to push any narrative that will frame Sanders in a bad light. Behind the curtains, the DNC is going to work any trick possible to take national delegates from him and insure that he does not have the majority of them (a total of 1991) and push a brokered convention. If Bernie Sanders is going to win, he needs the largest possible turn out in every State to insure they can't fiddle around with the numbers.

If he manages to win the Democratic nomination, phase two will commence. Like George Magovern, Sanders will be repeatedly red-baited by the corporate media who will go into overdrive to show socialist programs will destroy the economy. The DNC will now drop the unity message and many "insiders" will come out in droves to tie the stock market to the economy, and how a Bernie Sanders presidency will destroy the currently bloated stock market that is currently in life support--courtesy of the FED. Again, he will need the largest possible voter turn out to insure that the GOP's vote suppression tactics (gerrymandering, hack-able voting machines, etc) can not steal it away from him.

I thank you all who are posting Bernie's Progress, but you can't go to sleep after feeling Bernie is winning, this is not like Obama's run (he is not bought and paid for). Bernie isn't just asking for your vote, he needs a political revolution that will help put pressure on congress to address the issues of the majority of Americans. So remember, It will never be over. IT is just beginning.

Sadly, a recession is likely to come before the election, and you know they're going to blame Sanders for it even though it's Trump's fault (well, it was coming anyway, but it'll be deeper and nastier than it had to be with less ability to do anything to fight it thanks to Trump's incompetence and discredited economic policies, and yes, the fed, as led by Trump's appointed chairman). Hopefully the public doesn't buy it, and places the blame where it belongs, but either way, we'll probably be in a recession and know it by the time of the general election.

Per a recent MIT study, it's believed there's a 70% chance of a recession in the next 6 months.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/70percent-chance-of-recession-in-next-six-months-study-from-mit-and-state-street-finds.html

From the study:



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Hiku said:
Jaicee said:

1.) According to the entrance polls, Sanders won the most votes among both men and (for the first time so far) women, among working class voters and union households (despite the advice of the bosses of the Culinary Workers Union)

2.) I also want to take a moment to criticize all of the other candidates for advocating a brokered Democratic convention. These candidates have all spent no shortage of time and energy voicing the danger that the current U.S. president represents to lower-case "D" democratic principles. Some of them have even advocated doing away with the Electoral College specifically on the grounds that it has repeatedly denied the winner of the popular vote the presidency (e.g. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton). It's flatly impossible to square their purported support for such principles with calls for the nomination of an unpopular candidate by a group of special electors (super delegates in this case). As much shows you their actual level of commitment to democratic principles: they are serious about such principles only when they stand to benefit and not otherwise. Apparently it takes a candidate from outside the Democratic Party to live up to the meaning of said party's name!

1.) Yeah that was interesting. I guess someone informed them that they don't have less choices with Medicare For All, in spite of their union reps best efforts.

2.) I have to say I'm mainly disappointed in Warren here. But only because I hold her to a higher standard than the rest. I didn't expect better from them. But Warren had been very outspoken against money's influence in politics. Just a few months ago she said this:

But now she did a 180:

And of course her comment about a brokered convention.
So now I'm not so sure she would drop out of the race even if she loses her home state. Unfortunately at this point it's probably about either helping Sanders, or doing whatever they can to stop him, even if that means a Bloomberg nomination.

I'm just gonna point out, the writing has been on the wall for Warren doing this since 2016. Red flag and more Red flags. I still see people using the word "progressive" for her when time and time again she's proven she's not. I'll start with the most simple and most disqualifying thing about Warren. Big Money. She took it, transferred it into her campaign from her senate race, said she'd take in the general, swore off super pacs until her money ran dry cause now she needs the super pacs to stay competitive. She's just a player in a the game. She's not a progressive, but a standard dem.

I've called her a snake for a long time, way before others caught up cause you believe actions not words. That's why when she keeps stabbing the movement, calling us hateful people, attacking us, telling blatant lies on Bernie and his supporters, I can't understand how people still think she'll put delegates with him. I don't understand it. I've seen this Denial so hard with Warren that I can't understand. Its like someone who keeps going back to their abusive ex because they claimed they change just for them to turn around and do the same thing again, yet they keep going back.

Warren is literally only running at this point, is to try hurt Bernie to push a contested convention. Warren aint it, never has been, never will be and I'm looking forward to her senate re-election campaign. I'm sure we can find a real progressive to replace her.



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uran10 said:
Hiku said:

Warren is literally only running at this point, is to try hurt Bernie to push a contested convention. Warren aint it, never has been, never will be and I'm looking forward to her senate re-election campaign. I'm sure we can find a real progressive to replace her.

Funny that you mention something like this, when leftist Ed Markey is looking likely to be replaced by centrist Joe Kennedy III for the other Massachusetts senate seat.

You probably won't like the latest nationwide CBS/YouGov poll as well:

Sanders 28%
Warren 19%
Biden 17%
Bloomberg 13%
Buttigieg 10%
Klobuchar 5%
Steyer 2%
Gabbard 1%

Although this one is post-debate, pre-Nevada.



 

 

 

 

 

HylianSwordsman said:
DraconianAC said:

Its NOT over. The corporate media establishment is not going to give him an inch; these attack dogs are going to push any narrative that will frame Sanders in a bad light. Behind the curtains, the DNC is going to work any trick possible to take national delegates from him and insure that he does not have the majority of them (a total of 1991) and push a brokered convention. If Bernie Sanders is going to win, he needs the largest possible turn out in every State to insure they can't fiddle around with the numbers.

If he manages to win the Democratic nomination, phase two will commence. Like George Magovern, Sanders will be repeatedly red-baited by the corporate media who will go into overdrive to show socialist programs will destroy the economy. The DNC will now drop the unity message and many "insiders" will come out in droves to tie the stock market to the economy, and how a Bernie Sanders presidency will destroy the currently bloated stock market that is currently in life support--courtesy of the FED. Again, he will need the largest possible voter turn out to insure that the GOP's vote suppression tactics (gerrymandering, hack-able voting machines, etc) can not steal it away from him.

I thank you all who are posting Bernie's Progress, but you can't go to sleep after feeling Bernie is winning, this is not like Obama's run (he is not bought and paid for). Bernie isn't just asking for your vote, he needs a political revolution that will help put pressure on congress to address the issues of the majority of Americans. So remember, It will never be over. IT is just beginning.

Sadly, a recession is likely to come before the election, and you know they're going to blame Sanders for it even though it's Trump's fault (well, it was coming anyway, but it'll be deeper and nastier than it had to be with less ability to do anything to fight it thanks to Trump's incompetence and discredited economic policies, and yes, the fed, as led by Trump's appointed chairman). Hopefully the public doesn't buy it, and places the blame where it belongs, but either way, we'll probably be in a recession and know it by the time of the general election.

Per a recent MIT study, it's believed there's a 70% chance of a recession in the next 6 months.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/70percent-chance-of-recession-in-next-six-months-study-from-mit-and-state-street-finds.html

From the study:

This is the only reason why I sometimes want the republicans to win. Trumps policies made a crash inevitable, yet if the democrats win, they will get blamed for it. Just look what they tout about Obama despite the crash he had to clean up coming from Bush.



uran10 said:

Its over, lol Its pretty much over lol. Bernie winning the the first 3 states and if he goes on to win SC over Biden its over. We're so close to a Bernie Nomination. Sooo close!

Just a reminder how Democrats can play this game:



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The Dixiecrats were always a living contradiction that would eventually split off or join the Republicans. Even then, it's amazing some of them were around until a few years ago.

Also, a nice little table I've found:

To think all of them except for perhaps Bloomberg are to the left of what Obama and Hillary Clinton proposed really frames the word "moderate" into perspective. Perhaps it was the very loss of all those Dixiecrats mentioned before that finally allowed the Democratic Party to veer left into a new coallition of voters.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:

The Dixiecrats were always a living contradiction that would eventually split off or join the Republicans. Even then, it's amazing some of them were around until a few years ago.

Also, a nice little table I've found:

To think all of them except for perhaps Bloomberg are to the left of what Obama and Hillary Clinton proposed really frames the word "moderate" into perspective. Perhaps it was the very loss of all those Dixiecrats mentioned before that finally allowed the Democratic Party to veer left into a new coallition of voters.

Either that, or it's because Millenials and Gen Z are much more to the left of previous generations and everyone tries to get some of their votes. Boomers won't live forever, after all, and the majority of those vote Republican anyway and X-ers are a toss-up, so without the votes of younger voters the democratic party doesn't have a chance to win right now. And that goes double now that Millenials and Gen Z outnumber Boomers now: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/

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The victory video from Bernie Sanders is pretty nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMpZdlwR_f4

And now for Marianne Williamson endorsing Bernie Sanders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGhCmWoq-9c

EDIT: Let's also throw in some media reactions to the Sanders-win in Nevada.

538: Bernie Sanders is the front-runner (duh, but the article throws in some data that shows how much this win affected the chances of Sanders positively)

Vox: Mainstream democrats shouldn't fear Bernie Sanders (What, he will not execute people in Central Park?)

Politico: Sanders eviscerates conventional wisdom about why he can't win (I'm sure Sanders campaign will fall off a cliff any moment now)

RCP: After Nevada win, Sanders claim uniter mantel (Chris Matthews: “It’s too late to stop him. … It’s over”)

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@SpokenTruth Did you give the two delegates out of Nevada for Biden (so far) to Bloomberg instead in the OP?



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Mnementh said:

538: Bernie Sanders is the front-runner (duh, but the article throws in some data that shows how much this win affected the chances of Sanders positively)

Vox: Mainstream democrats shouldn't fear Bernie Sanders (What, he will not execute people in Central Park?)

ROFLMAO

Politico: Sanders eviscerates conventional wisdom about why he can't win (I'm sure Sanders campaign will fall off a cliff any moment now)

QuickRick, is that you?

RCP: After Nevada win, Sanders claim uniter mantel (Chris Matthews: “It’s too late to stop him. … It’s over”)

I damn hope so!