Watch out this becoming a never-ending mess and Bloomberg walking away with the nomination with Harris or something as his VP.
Dude's coming for the kill on Super Tuesday and if there's no clear frontrunner...
Watch out this becoming a never-ending mess and Bloomberg walking away with the nomination with Harris or something as his VP.
Dude's coming for the kill on Super Tuesday and if there's no clear frontrunner...
Well this whole thing has been disgusting. But the people like Jaicee acting all gloom and doom like Trump will win just because one state party made a bad choice of app vendor are blowing things out of proportion. Even the worst polls show that most of our contenders beat Trump better than Clinton does, and ALL of the major ones are better liked than Trump has ever been. In most elections, the candidate with the higher net favorability won, and all of them are crushing Trump on this measurement, whereas Hillary was about even with him. Add to this that the economy sucks for most people and that everything else Trump has touched is a failure, and I don't see why at the very least Sanders and Warren couldn't win by big enough margins to take the electoral college. All that Trump has left to run on at this point is that the economy hasn't crashed. People are poor, work more jobs for shittier pay and benefits, and have a smaller piece of the pie than ever, but they aren't jobless on the streets. That's all he has. Oh, and I guess we somehow didn't go to war with Iran or North Korea. And there's no guarantee he'll have even this much come November. Trump is pretty weak, all things considered. Probably the weakest incumbent since at least Carter, if not more so.
So who funded "Shadow Inc." and their funny voting app?
Behind the app that delayed Iowa’s voting results is a dark money operation funded by anti-Bernie Sanders billionaires. Its top donor Seth Klarman is a Buttigieg backer who has dumped money into pro-settler Israel lobby groups.
Shadow Inc. was launched by a major Democratic dark money nonprofit called Acronym, which also gave birth to a $7.7 million Super PAC known as Pacronym. According to Sludge, Pacronym’s largest donor is Seth Klarman.
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/02/04/pro-israel-buttigieg-seth-klarman-iowas-voting-app/
You won't hear about this on John Oliver.
So, as we learn more about the Iowa app and it's programmers, it seems a case of cronyism prevailing over technical expertise.
| Mnementh said: So, as we learn more about the Iowa app and it's programmers, it seems a case of cronyism prevailing over technical expertise. |

| IOWA | Votes | Percent | (71%) | 2nd Round | Percent | (71%) | SDE | Del. |
| Sanders | 31,428 | 24.4 | 32,772 | 26.2 | 394 | 11 | ||
| Buttigieg | 27,515 | 21.4 | 31,458 | 25.2 | 419 | 11 | ||
| Warren | 24,175 | 18.8 | 25,816 | 20.6 | 287 | 5 | ||
| Biden | 18,902 | 14.7 | 16,545 | 13.2 | 241 | 0 | ||
| Klobuchar | 16,474 | 12.8 | 15,598 | 12.5 | 197 | 0 | ||
| Yang | 6,720 | 5.2 | 1,301 | 1.0 | 16 | 0 | ||
| Steyer | 2,247 | 1.7 | 275 | 0.2 | 5 | 0 |
Cerebralbore101 said:
Don't let the Associated Press fool you. Bernie is winning Iowa, with Pete in a close 2nd. |
I think it is nice, that RCP put Sanders first, althought Mayor Pete has a few State Delegate Equivalents more.
Looks like establishment democrats are gearing up to give Trump yet another term. Sigh. So sad this is the "liberal party" of America. Fuck this piece of shit country.
SpokenTruth said:
Unfortunately, just like the electoral college itself, the popular vote is not the number that counts/matters. It's the State Delegate Equivalents. |
...Except it's not the SDE that "counts", they are just another intermediate factor. The only thing that procedurally matters to the national convention is the pledged delegates: where Sanders and Buttigieg are both TIED at 11 based on current numbers, as your table shows. I'm not sure of procedural details, but it seems that Sanders could still "win" (largest plurality) not only by increasing his own SDE%, but if other candidates (e.g. Biden or Warren) increase their SDE% at Buttigieg's expense.
Of course, the reason why people nationally or internationally are paying attention to Iowa is not because they are especially interested in Iowa... But because it is the current phase of a national electoral process to determine Democratic candidate... And the popular vote is only factor that is directly comparable to the primaries in 95% of states which do use popular vote. Or, to put it another way: if Iowa popular vote is IRRELEVANT, every national poll that included Iowa is flawed. Yet nobody objected to those.
Calling it a tie in pledged delegates is accurate and relevant. Calling it a Sanders popular victory is also relevant to the metric 95% of other states use to determine their delegates to national convention, which is context Iowa caucus exists within. Certainly one doesn't expect other states to have identical popular votes to Iowa, but fair to say there is a continuity between popular votes... and real popular vote is much more informative than "polling" especially when the former substantially differs from the latter's designated "favorites" like Biden. So IMHO calling it a Buttigieg "win" over Sanders has no real relevance or truth, other than what it shows about media preferences.
Last edited by mutantsushi - on 05 February 2020Withholding results has created the perfect atmosphere for fake news to spread on MSM. Pundits on CNN have a chance to paint Bernie as the biggest loser, the clinton news network is still licking their 2016 wounds.