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Wyrdness said:
RolStoppable said:
A general question: Isn't the whole exclusivity deal only a problem for PC gamers who've begun to view the PC like a console?

Different stores have different features:

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Such deals forcefully remove the element of choice so even if one store gives the publisher $2 more the consumer may still be getting the short end of the stick even with a discount.

I don't get that point. Wouldn't the game release at the same price on all stores if there were no exclusivity deal?



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CGI-Quality said:
SecondWar said:
I think its more based on economics. If Metro Exodus sells poorly on the PC then he believes that it would mean Metro 4 (or whatever) is then less likely to have a PC version. The lost profit arguement you use only works if the game actually turns a profit on the platform. If a potential boycott causes a loss then that's what they have to go off.

Honestly, I really don't get the fuss about Metro not being on Steam. Epic will be creamed if they didn't invest in their store when they're up against a competitor as dominant as Steam. Microsoft did the same in the early days of the 360 to try to syphon off some of the PlayStation base.

 As has been stated, the issue isn't simply that Metro won't be on Steam for a year. It is that said deal happened just under three weeks from release. It is a bad precedent to set and it's good that people spoke up about it.

Regarding this latest statement, it is an easy way to lose a fanbase. 

Exactly.  If this had been announced months ago, a year would be preferable, then the outrage wouldn't be so heated.  But, we are less than a month from release and they drop this bomb on people.  Really, they should have let this release as is, but have a slight discount ($5-$10) on Epic Store to appeal to people.  If they release another game, then they can announce this along with the game, or shortly after.



flashfire926 said:
I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.

This may be morally consistent and the right thing to do from your point of view but the finance department will look at it differently, They don't care about how entitled the PC community is or how the devs feel, all they care about is cash and pulling the game entirely from PC won't make them more money.



flashfire926 said:
I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.

The dev going bankrupt and all the staff losing their jobs due to the next game having a massive decline in sales is "no harm"?

I don't know what the profit margins for the game are or exactly how much of that comes from PC, so I don't know exactly how likely a scenario like that is, but even if it doesn't go to the extreme end like that it absolutely will still hurt the company financially!

And what about respecting consumers and not giving in to entitled devs?



Ka-pi96 said:
flashfire926 said:
I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.

The dev going bankrupt and all the staff losing their jobs due to the next game having a massive decline in sales is "no harm"?

I don't know what the profit margins for the game are or exactly how much of that comes from PC, so I don't know exactly how likely a scenario like that is, but even if it doesn't go to the extreme end like that it absolutely will still hurt the company financially!

And what about respecting consumers and not giving in to entitled devs?

Did you read the first part of the sentence? If it sells poorly on PC, the cost of removing it would be very miniscule, causing no harm, probably. Since the amount of sales removed was very little.

It's only a "massive decline" if they decide to pull it when it sells well, which they're not gonna.

It's up to the fans to keep the series on PC.



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CGI-Quality said:
flashfire926 said:
I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.

 There's plenty of harm in removing a huge chunk of your fanbase and even more in baiting them if you don't get your way. You will be seeing some form of apology quite soon. Count on it.

Yeah, unfortunately (or fortunately) the apology will come very soon.  

I think these exclusivity deals cause some harm in the short term, but ultimately the goal is to bring the developer cut on PC down to 12% as a standard. Once Steam gives in, it will be a major victory of PC developers.

Announcing this just three weeks prior to release, I admit, is worth the backlash. They should've done it months ahead, like Division 2.



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flashfire926 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

The dev going bankrupt and all the staff losing their jobs due to the next game having a massive decline in sales is "no harm"?

I don't know what the profit margins for the game are or exactly how much of that comes from PC, so I don't know exactly how likely a scenario like that is, but even if it doesn't go to the extreme end like that it absolutely will still hurt the company financially!

And what about respecting consumers and not giving in to entitled devs?

Did you read the first part of the sentence? If it sells poorly on PC, the cost of removing it would be very miniscule, causing no harm, probably. Since the amount of sales removed was very little.

It's only a "massive decline" if they decide to pull it when it sells well, which they're not gonna.

It's up to the fans to keep the series on PC.

Ok technically the next entry wouldn't have the massive decline in sales, the current one would and their release decisions and subsequent arrogant and entitled attitude is what will have caused that. Continuing or even furthering that decline due to being stubborn, entitled and boneheaded rather than correcting their mistakes and trying to actually please their fanbase to increase sales would still be idiotic though.



MrWayne said:
flashfire926 said:
I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.

This may be morally consistent and the right thing to do from your point of view

Oh don't worry, it definitely isn't morally consistent with what Flashfire believes: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8963701

Of course, the fact that it's easier to transition from one digital platform to another than it is from one console to another - while true - doesn't change the fact that it's locking the game from a platform. 



RolStoppable said:
Wyrdness said:

Different stores have different features:

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Such deals forcefully remove the element of choice so even if one store gives the publisher $2 more the consumer may still be getting the short end of the stick even with a discount.

I don't get that point. Wouldn't the game release at the same price on all stores if there were no exclusivity deal?

No stores can have different prices and deals to compete with each other.



think-man said:
I mean, the game is coming to PC anyway. If the Steam hardcore can't bite the bullet and buy it off another store, then that's their problem. At least they're free services to use, unlike when this happens in the television space.

If people would actually do that, then moving games from one store to another store with lacking features, anti consumer practices, questionable security policies would be without consequences for publishers. And all of this very close to release. People who were promised to get a Steam key by pre-ordering the physical version will now get an EGS key without them being asked. You think that is ok? 

If they would do that from the start, then the complaints wouldn't be as strong as they are now. But this is certainly not in favor of the consumers, and also not the vendors, since they have to deal with the canceled pre-orders. 



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