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Lol this is one of the worst PR responses by anyone you're being boycotted because of an underhanded move you pulled 2 weeks before launch and now you want to threaten people? Good luck with that.



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Lafiel said:
CGI-Quality said:

 As has been stated, the issue isn't simply that Metro won't be on Steam for a year. It is that said deal happened just under three weeks from release. It is a bad precedent to set and it's good that people spoke up about it.

Regarding this latest statement, it is an easy way to lose a fanbase. 

if that fanbase is pissed about the devs wanting a bit more money from their game release at no extra cost for those fans, then it's probably not one worth keeping

That's not the issue. 

Just as a side note, the difference between Steam and EGS in the US is just 2$ more for the dev  Publisher for each game sold.

But I believe that the potential customer base is waaaay lower on ESG for Metro than on Steam which makes the decision quite questionable in the first place. So, I think the revenue will be lower than releasing it on Steam. 



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Yerm said:
lets break this down
-Dev makes a new game
-Fans get excited to play the new game
-Dev offers the game through a store that gives more revenue, helping the developers
-Fans boycott the game due to brand loyalty
-"If people on PC dont buy the game, then we wont make games for PC anymore"

ffs, are people really so butthurt that Fortnite is doing well that their prime directive is to never support Epic Games again, even going to lengths to boycott their new storefront which promises to give developers a larger revenue percentage than anywhere else? these people arent fans, they are elitist scum bags who are imposing the same 'my console is better than yours' mentality within a community that has for years acted above that behavior.

You forgot two crucial step:

-Dev makes a new game
-Fans get excited to play the new game
-Dev starts to sell the game on the same store where you can find its previous games since August 2018
-Dev offers the game through a store that gives more revenue, helping the developers
-Dev decides to pull the game from the first store three weeks before release
-Fans boycott the game due to brand loyalty
-"If people on PC dont buy the game, then we wont make games for PC anymore"

That is what makes people angry and the reason for all this. You don't see the same comments for games as big if not bigger like The Division 2 or others like the final season of The Walking Dead, but that's because they've announced its exclusivity months before their launch.

It's the difference between doing things right, or making a mess.

 

OT: As other s have said, it's a stupid comment that hurts them a lot more than anything else.

I expect an appology from that developer in a matter of days, a public statement from THQ Nordic, Koch Media or both stating that the developer wasn't talking in their behalf and that they won't abandon PC and also, maybe, that the dev no longer works for them.



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JEMC said:

You forgot two crucial step:

-Dev makes a new game
-Fans get excited to play the new game
-Dev starts to sell the game on the same store where you can find its previous games since August 2018
-Dev offers the game through a store that gives more revenue, helping the developers
-Dev decides to pull the game from the first store three weeks before release
-Fans boycott the game due to brand loyalty
-"If people on PC dont buy the game, then we wont make games for PC anymore"

That is what makes people angry and the reason for all this. You don't see the same comments for games as big if not bigger like The Division 2 or others like the final season of The Walking Dead, but that's because they've announced its exclusivity months before their launch.

It's the difference between doing things right, or making a mess.

 

OT: As other s have said, it's a stupid comment that hurts them a lot more than anything else.

I expect an appology from that developer in a matter of days, a public statement from THQ Nordic, Koch Media or both stating that the developer wasn't talking in their behalf and that they won't abandon PC and also, maybe, that the dev no longer works for them.

Well, not only that, but they'd also make way more money on multiple services versus just one.  

Also, Yerm does not understand the irony of stating this: " they are elitist scum bags who are imposing the same my console is better than yours' mentality within a community that has for years acted above that behavior."

While also defending practices which are very similar to that of console wars (money-hatting games to be exclusive to one service/platform). That's the kind of thing that console warriors love, when their games are money-hatted to their preferred platform. Being against that is the exact opposite of this mentality. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Lafiel said:

if that fanbase is pissed about the devs wanting a bit more money from their game release at no extra cost for those fans, then it's probably not one worth keeping

Bad argument. The developers didn't make the decision - it's even stated in the article. There's also no way they would ever make as much money with Epic as they would on Steam, at least not on game sales alone. It's a moneyhatting deal, very clearly. They would make more money being on both platforms. 

you can't know that without knowing how big he moneyhat is and the amount of sales it'd have gotten



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Lafiel said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Bad argument. The developers didn't make the decision - it's even stated in the article. There's also no way they would ever make as much money with Epic as they would on Steam, at least not on game sales alone. It's a moneyhatting deal, very clearly. They would make more money being on both platforms. 

you can't know that without knowing how big he moneyhat is and the amount of sales it'd have gotten

But I even stated that in the reply you're quoting ... ? That's why I prefaced it with "at least not on game sales alone". 

This isn't a particularly positive outlook on the situation, either. Let's look at this scenario critically. You're saying that we don't know how much money they are being given for exclusivity, and that even with abysmal sales compared to the potential Steam version they may make more money. That's not a sustainable way of doing business though, because it means less people play your game, which means less people are interested in your franchise, which means bad prospects for the growth of said franchise, which means later installments have less potential. And I imagine most publishing deals are massively in favor of profit for the publisher and not the developer, though obviously the publisher would fund the dev team based on how successful the venture was. The only way this is sustainable is if Epic kept making the franchise exclusive to the Epic Game Store, which is a possibility, but I don't think either company will find this was worth it in the end honestly...

Also, while we don't know for sure, I think it's a fair assumption to make that this game would have sold at least 2 million on Steam, as all previous games passed that benchmark at least.



Wyrdness said:
Lol this is one of the worst PR responses by anyone you're being boycotted because of an underhanded move you pulled 2 weeks before launch and now you want to threaten people? Good luck with that.

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So much this.
Seriously screw them if this is how they view their fans that support them and buy their games.
Why is it so hard for dev's to get, people dont like useing a million differnt stores? Steam or GOG or gtfo.

threating to no longer support pc, if pc users dont just automatically go in and back their store system..... that is not the way.



A general question: Isn't the whole exclusivity deal only a problem for PC gamers who've begun to view the PC like a console?



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I don't agree with the shitty practice but when you vote with your wallet it doesnt mean the outcome will be the one you were hoping for, companies will look out what's best for them ( aka what they think is best) if PC gamers on mass avoid their product they will continue what's best for them and will leave that market it's pretty simple, you can't complain if they pull a product people are not buying.



Instead of a flat out boycott, can't players just wait until the timed exclusivity runs out and then buy on Steam to make a point? Or is the Metro dev counting that as part of the boycott?

I'm in the camp that more competition to Steam is a good thing and if players don't want to support Epic that's fine. Exclusives are the norm with consoles and unlike consoles, you don't even have to spend more for a different PC game service (no hardware purchase or online subscription necessary).

As a console player, this looks like entitled whining, but that's not all uncommon for the "PC Master Race." Or maybe there's just something I'm not seeing.

EDIT: So I, was unaware of the 2 weeks to release notice preorder customers were given and the lack of basic functions the Epic Games Store has over Steam (no reviews, always online etc). I was also unaware of the plethora of Epic games Fortnite accounts that recently got hacked.

Having learned all of that, I understand the resentment. This isn't the first time Deep Silver pulled a dick move, didn't the last Metro game lock an entire difficulty mode behind Gamestop preorders?

One thing of note, it's likely the publisher, Deep Silver's decision and not the devs, so if you still wanted the game, maybe a console purchase? I'm not into the series much, but I'm not really sure what I would do in this circumstance.

Last edited by StriderKiwi - on 02 February 2019