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Forums - PC Discussion - Metro dev says next game won't be on PC if players boycott. EDIT: Official Statement made

StriderKiwi said:
Instead of a flat out boycott, can't players just wait until the timed exclusivity runs out and then buy on Steam to make a point? Or is the Metro dev counting that as part of the boycott?

I'm in the camp that more competition to Steam is a good thing and if players don't want to support Epic that's fine. Exclusives are the norm with consoles and unlike consoles, you don't even have to spend more for a different PC game service (no hardware purchase or online subscription necessary).

As a console player, this looks like entitled whining, but that's not all uncommon for the "PC Master Race." Or maybe there's just something I'm not seeing.

 This makes the second time someone is generalizing a fanbase in here. Let it be the last!



                                                                                                                                                           

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I'm going to kind of ignore the outrage in the thread and just talk about what the developer seems to be saying, though obviously it's translated by Google and not entirely trustworthy.

From the studio standpoint, I do understand his frustration. Fans are going to skip something they worked on for years because they don't want to download a launcher? I'd have trouble with that, too. Of course, what he's missing is that a lot of buyers aren't necessarily deep level fans, they're people who can be swayed one way or the other by simple things. There has been hundreds of times when I've bought one game over another because of a stray line or text or a random user review. It's not black and white.

As for the line that has everyone grabbing the noose, it doesn't seem like a big deal to me. "If at all all the PC players announce a boycott of the Metro," makes it sound as though he's talking about the game having close to zero sales on PC, which, obviously, would make them reconsider the platform for future games in the series. I mean, yeah. Why would that shock anyone?



betacon said:
I don't agree with the shitty practice but when you vote with your wallet it doesnt mean the outcome will be the one you were hoping for, companies will look out what's best for them ( aka what they think is best) if PC gamers on mass avoid their product they will continue what's best for them and will leave that market it's pretty simple, you can't complain if they pull a product people are not buying.

That's not simple nor what is best for them.

What is best for them is trying to please their fans so they actually buy their products. The whole "if you don't like the way we release the game then we won't release it at all anymore" idea is just an idiotic move. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face. I don't know how well the franchise sells on console, but it sells pretty well on PC, so intentionally refusing to sell to that audience at all anymore and probably losing upwards of 2m sales due to that could very make the difference between the game being profitable or not. It's not exactly the biggest franchise/dev in the world so sacrificing that many sales just for the sake of being stubborn really isn't something they can afford to do. Not even big publishers that could easily afford to lose those sales would leave that much profit on the table just to stroke their own ego.

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RolStoppable said:
A general question: Isn't the whole exclusivity deal only a problem for PC gamers who've begun to view the PC like a console?

Different stores have different features:

Such deals forcefully remove the element of choice so even if one store gives the publisher $2 more the consumer may still be getting the short end of the stick even with a discount.



StriderKiwi said:
Instead of a flat out boycott, can't players just wait until the timed exclusivity runs out and then buy on Steam to make a point? Or is the Metro dev counting that as part of the boycott?

I'm in the camp that more competition to Steam is a good thing and if players don't want to support Epic that's fine. Exclusives are the norm with consoles and unlike consoles, you don't even have to spend more for a different PC game service (no hardware purchase or online subscription necessary).

As a console player, this looks like entitled whining, but that's not all uncommon for the "PC Master Race." Or maybe there's just something I'm not seeing.

Well, that's an ignorant and childish generalization.  Luckily, I'm not going to be like you and judge all console players based on your example.



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This developer was probably a bit emotional because of the shit storm (death threats etc. the usual internet things) but this statement is one of the worst reactions to a shit storm I've ever seen.
No matter if you're on the boycotters side or not it's economically stupid and a super obvious bluff.
Dev:"If your boycott is successful our future games won't come to PC!"
Con:"We have literally thousands of games every year to play on PC and you will probably lose 30% of your consumers."
Dev:"Oh..."
It's almost always worth to port a game to PC because it's super easy and cheap. It's not a coincidence the all the indies and many very niche japanese games are on PC.



pokoko said:

From the studio standpoint, I do understand his frustration. Fans are going to skip something they worked on for years because they don't want to download a launcher? I'd have trouble with that, too. Of course, what he's missing is that a lot of buyers aren't necessarily deep level fans, they're people who can be swayed one way or the other by simple things. There has been hundreds of times when I've bought one game over another because of a stray line or text or a random user review. It's not black and white.

I agree. It's really quite sad. Developers have made similar comments before which is obviously out of frustration. To them, it's like someone disregarding years of work for a decision you didn't even make. Which is why I hope the game is still successful.  Personally, while it makes me want to buy the game less, I don't think they lost a sale. The first Metro was not that good imo and I was already cautious with this one. But hope that they get enough sales to justify the hard work, anyways. 



I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.



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flashfire926 said:
I have to respect the developers here, not giving in to entitled gamers, and standing their ground.

This is easy for them to say because if it doesnt do well, there's no harm in taking it off PC anyways.

 There's plenty of harm in removing a huge chunk of your fanbase and even more in baiting them if you don't get your way. You will be seeing some form of apology quite soon. Count on it.



                                                                                                                                                           

I mean, the game is coming to PC anyway. If the Steam hardcore can't bite the bullet and buy it off another store, then that's their problem. At least they're free services to use, unlike when this happens in the television space.