RolStoppable said:
CrazyGPU said:
It´s not semantics. The power envelope and the graphics capabilities shows that its a mobile device.
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The one thing that matters is that Switch functions like a home console, because it's not missing any features that people expect based on previous Nintendo home consoles.
Since you are the point of origin of this discussion, I'll look over your justification. I am adding numbers to your post for better reference what I am replying to.
CrazyGPU said:
Facts on Switch and Nintendo: 1. Nintendo was very smart selling a hanheld console with TV conectivity as a home console. 2. Power envelope and graphics are of a mobile device, even the new iphone or Galaxy have faster processors. 3. Some 3rd party games run on it, but they are specially made and really downgraded graphically compared to the other consoles. 4. They sell it at 300 with 60 USS games because they are GREEDY and Nintendo fans pay anyway, like iphone fans buy 1500 USS iphone XS. 5. They have high quality exclusives games with great creativity.
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1. A common fallacy is to use Switch's portability as decisive factor to call it a handheld console, but a hybrid requires portability just as much as a standard handheld console, so portability in and of itself is not enough to classify a console. Someone has already said that PSP and PSV are hybrids as well, but that falls flat on its face because PSP and PSV games remain single-player games when connected to a TV, unlike on Switch where games can be played by up to eight people simultaneously. What makes Switch a hybrid is that it does both what a home console and what a handheld do.
2. If processing power were a decisive factor, the Wii wouldn't be a home console anymore. As such, your statement is irrelevant to the question at hand.
3. If AAA third party games were a decisive factor, the Wii wouldn't be a home console anymore. As such, your statement is irrelevant to the question at hand.
4. Switch is sold for $300 because it combines the functionality of two devices into one without making any significant compromises. As such, $300 isn't remotely close to greedy because a separate home console and handheld console amounted to $400+ in the preceding two generations. Switch games are sold for $60 because they are home console games.
5. This is a surprisingly accurate statement coming off four headscratchers in a row. It looks like you already realized at that point that you are flirting with a moderation, so you said something that's basically the opposite of your otherwise condescending and belittling tone.
6. PS4 sold more when switch launched, and the year after. Its an indirect competitor. Didn´t hurt PS4 sales, its on another segment, like Intrinsic said with cars.
7. If you add the people who bought 3DS and Wii U, then you see who is buying Switch. Mobile fans. Also you can see that with Japan exploding. Take all Japan sales to see how many Switchs are selling elsewere. That doesn´t mean that some others are, but are not the core buyers.
8. For the nature of Nintendo games and mobility, Switch is best suitted as a christmas gift for kids and thats why sales explode in the holidays.
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6. This dichotomy of direct/indirect competition has taken on a life on its own. It's much more accurate to call the market situation symmetrical/asymmetrical competition, because that refers to competition that is either based on the same set of values on offer or on different sets of values. PS4 and Switch are different, but both compete for the customer who is looking for console games, so they are in direct competition for the same dollars. XB1 is in symmetrical competition with the PS4 while Switch is in asymmetrical competition with the PS4. Indirect competition would be something like console vs. smartphone games. Symmetrical competition results in more of a zero sum game whereas asymmetrical competition is additive, provided any given customer has the money for more than one console.
7. zorg1000 already touched on how flawed that statement is. The Switch sales trend strongly suggests that customers take their pick whether they use Switch as home console, handheld console or even both, therefore making the console a perfectly viable hybrid instead of merely a handheld console that is connected to a TV like you try to insinuate.
8. Ah yes, the classic "Nintendo is for kids" line. Looks like point 5 has become irrelevant by this point and is indeed not a point that interconnects with the rest of your post, but is positioned as a shield of sorts.
9. Nintendo doesn´t hurt Sony, It helps Sony. Nintendo is usually the starting point for a gamer. I go to Mc Donalds and I can´t find toys with The Last of Us, But I frequently find Nintendo toys.
Kids love them, then they want the console. And their parents played nintendo as kids, so many buy it.
Of course some kids also play PS4 or XBOX games, but Nintendo is more kid oriented, and their games for kids are usually better with all Nintendo caracters. When this kids are adults, some will still play nintendo, but many will look for more mature games, and buy the others consoles and games.
If Nintendo weren´t there, the seed woudn´t be planted and kids would be doing something else unless some other company take nintendo place. But for now, Nintendo helps to keep the industry and future Sony and Microsoft sales.
10. Edit: I forgot. for those that say that the switch is everything because you have a home and mobile device,
The Switch is like a duck, it can run, fly and swim. But it flies like a duck. And PS4 and XBOX are eagles. Don´t compare ducs and eagles ,the flying experience is different ;)
that doesn´t make the ps4 swim..... choises.
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9. Sounds like you are trying to comfort yourself because Switch is selling so well. Unsurprisingly, your description of gamer progression is inaccurate because it has three steps and not just two. Firstly, a lot of people do start out with Nintendo. Secondly, a lot of the same people turn their backs on Nintendo when they become teenagers and "grow up". Thirdly, a lot of the people who turned their backs on Nintendo eventually come back when they've truly grown up and reached adulthood, recognizing that age rating on games has nothing to do with actual maturity.
10. That's a fitting analogy to close out your post. Fitting, because it should remove the last doubts anyone could have had about your mindset. Point 5 stands out as something that doesn't fit in with the rest of the post.
Lastly, I wouldn't say the Switch is a duck. It's more like a raccoon with a P-Wing.
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