What I'm saying is budget should be no excuse for Assassin's Creed Odyssey lacking immersion. Compare two games on what they deliver and not what budget they had to deliver on various fronts.

Eh.. RDR2 is at most a walking simulator? Now I've heard it all.. care to elaborate at all?

I thought horse riding is quite good, I haven't even used fast travel much because of it. It's only a handful of times I've crashed into something but it usually leads to some funny moments. I like it that you can switch to cinematic camera and just hold A while enjoying a conversation or a song while riding. 

edit. And thanks for not touching the final quarter and the epilogue. Some of us haven't finished it yet :P

I never find linear missions to be a negative, and surely not in story driven games like rdr2 kinda is.

I agree on the gunplay yes, game could use its own VAT system like Fallout to improve it.

And there is no excuse for RDR2 to have subpar gameplay, and missions more linear than naughty dog games. 

The gameplay on the game is very soft, even on the hardest difficult I like died once every 3h or so (mostly when doing careless exploration, as the map is so big sometimes you would be like 5min without doing nothing, so I put in cinematic mode and was watching a little the screen and sometimes looking the phone - you know we shouldn't use phone while driving... then I would be ambushed, jaguar would hunt me and the like). But during real gameplay setting I had I think a single death in the whole game.

On the horse itself there were a case where a very funny event occurred with a couch driver being shot to death outside the screen and I got run over by the cart out of nowhere. The when I gone to inspect the driver was full of arrows like a porcupine (didn't saw the killers though).

The horse was stubborn in some areas, like when you try to do some mountain exploration, take some time to change direction, terrible to go in the middle of the woods (AI will auto aim trees sometimes, and with the dumper on the control response it's quite hard to manually deviate from then while running).

So when the game have two gameplay elements, which is shooting and walking around (foot or horse) and shooting is very very very easy, then the game turns into a walk around to enjoy the story (which I did dearly until the end portion). I have played it full in like 1 or 2 weeks. That is why I "classified" as walking simulator.

Without giving spoilers, but since this game is set not much before RDR1, the end of RDR2 will lead to RDR1 events. So some things that could have been done a lot better (in my opinion) were like targeted to keep coherence.

Open world games should have more options in how to get to the end of a mission. It isn't going to hurt the story if I have a few options on how I go about doing things. Not every mission in the game even contributes heavily to the story.

Another issue I had with the game was the horse riding. So much of my play time particularly in the late game was holding down x while on my horse and watching my phone while I wait to get to the next marker. That alone is a massive issue and completely shatters immersion in the game. I have never played a game where I can look away from the screen for large periods of time with little consequence.

Gunplay is subpar, but the horse riding and simulation elements are A1. These are part of gameplay, not just the gunplay.

The missions are paced well due to their linearity, I'd rather have that than another Far Cry game where you do whatever the fuck you want because it gets old.

Difficulty of a game dictates its genre? What are you saying man, you make absolutely no sense.

RDR2 is literally anything but a walking simulator, imagine you had to walk around the map collecting pieces with characters talking. That would have been a very different game. You are full of hyperbole my man.

Not every game has to be Dark Souls, get off your horse (pun intended). Red Dead Redemption has plenty of gunplay and survival simulation aspects.

Yeah, you just described Far Cry games. The do as you please approach to mission design gets old really quick.

Horse riding in cinematic mode is a choice, I prefer to ride horse while taking in the beautiful scenery like I do when travelling somewhere. Its the most immersive game I've ever played and I've played a fuck ton of them.

Your saying having options on how to do a mission gets old compared to having to do a mission in an extremely limited way. The missions in this game make me feel like I'm being treated like child because there is absolutely no thought needed to get through them. You just follow the dot on the map and auto lock everything to death. Most of the time you are told exactly what to do and if ypu try to do anything your own way it is just a failscreen. This just is not acceptable  in an open world game in 2018.

The scenery was great but after 50 hours it gets old. And getting around the world just isn't very fun.

And there is no excuse for RDR2 to have subpar gameplay, and missions more linear than naughty dog games. 

The gameplay on the game is very soft, even on the hardest difficult I like died once every 3h or so (mostly when doing careless exploration, as the map is so big sometimes you would be like 5min without doing nothing, so I put in cinematic mode and was watching a little the screen and sometimes looking the phone - you know we shouldn't use phone while driving... then I would be ambushed, jaguar would hunt me and the like). But during real gameplay setting I had I think a single death in the whole game.

On the horse itself there were a case where a very funny event occurred with a couch driver being shot to death outside the screen and I got run over by the cart out of nowhere. The when I gone to inspect the driver was full of arrows like a porcupine (didn't saw the killers though).

The horse was stubborn in some areas, like when you try to do some mountain exploration, take some time to change direction, terrible to go in the middle of the woods (AI will auto aim trees sometimes, and with the dumper on the control response it's quite hard to manually deviate from then while running).

So when the game have two gameplay elements, which is shooting and walking around (foot or horse) and shooting is very very very easy, then the game turns into a walk around to enjoy the story (which I did dearly until the end portion). I have played it full in like 1 or 2 weeks. That is why I "classified" as walking simulator.

Without giving spoilers, but since this game is set not much before RDR1, the end of RDR2 will lead to RDR1 events. So some things that could have been done a lot better (in my opinion) were like targeted to keep coherence.

Open world games should have more options in how to get to the end of a mission. It isn't going to hurt the story if I have a few options on how I go about doing things. Not every mission in the game even contributes heavily to the story.

Another issue I had with the game was the horse riding. So much of my play time particularly in the late game was holding down x while on my horse and watching my phone while I wait to get to the next marker. That alone is a massive issue and completely shatters immersion in the game. I have never played a game where I can look away from the screen for large periods of time with little consequence.