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Forums - Sales - Japan Sales Week 51 Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - December 17-23, 2018

Kerotan on 27 December 2018
drinkandswim said:
Congrats Nintendo! They officially have the largest relevant Install Base in Japan. This will do wonders for Third Party games going forward!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/switch_has_outsold_the_original_and_slim_playstation_4_in_japan

Not exactly true. 1 million people upgraded to the pro. Don't you think a large chunk of those were sold to other people or given to a friend/family member? 

zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but between the PS4 and Switch doesn't the PD4 still hold the record for most units sold at launch?

@miyamotoo
You always mention the 3DS price cut but never mention the huge games it got just after. Many believe Nintendo prematurely panicked and sliced the price of the console too early when it would have sold extremely well after the big games released.

PS4 launch-309,154

NSW launch-329,152

 

You are partially right, 3DS did get 3D Mario, Mario Kart & Monster Hunter in holiday 2011 and in 2012 it had a more steady flow of games so sales would have increased regardless, they just wouldnt have increased as much without the price cut and revision.

3DS sold 9.78 million in 2011+2012 and Switch will be around 6.8 million in 2017+2018. Without the year 1 price cut and year 2 revision, 3DS would probably be pretty similar to Switch.

There was someone over on resetera who gave me the impression the switch never sold higher then launch. Maybe they were saying the switch has never sold higher then it's launch week. 

 

But yeah on the software you pointed out. It's clear the software was a huge factor in the 3DS sales and not just the price cut like some people try to let on. 



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zorg1000 on 27 December 2018
Kerotan said:
drinkandswim said:
Congrats Nintendo! They officially have the largest relevant Install Base in Japan. This will do wonders for Third Party games going forward!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/switch_has_outsold_the_original_and_slim_playstation_4_in_japan

Not exactly true. 1 million people upgraded to the pro. Don't you think a large chunk of those were sold to other people or given to a friend/family member? 

zorg1000 said:

PS4 launch-309,154

NSW launch-329,152

 

You are partially right, 3DS did get 3D Mario, Mario Kart & Monster Hunter in holiday 2011 and in 2012 it had a more steady flow of games so sales would have increased regardless, they just wouldnt have increased as much without the price cut and revision.

3DS sold 9.78 million in 2011+2012 and Switch will be around 6.8 million in 2017+2018. Without the year 1 price cut and year 2 revision, 3DS would probably be pretty similar to Switch.

There was someone over on resetera who gave me the impression the switch never sold higher then launch. Maybe they were saying the switch has never sold higher then it's launch week. 

 

But yeah on the software you pointed out. It's clear the software was a huge factor in the 3DS sales and not just the price cut like some people try to let on. 

Yep software was a huge factor as well but those games move alot more hardware at ¥15,000 than they do at ¥25,000.

3DS sales would be much lower and likely similar to Switch without the price cut and revision.



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Kerotan on 27 December 2018
RolStoppable said:
zorg1000 said:

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You are partially right, 3DS did get 3D Mario, Mario Kart & Monster Hunter in holiday 2011 and in 2012 it had a more steady flow of games so sales would have increased regardless, they just wouldnt have increased as much without the price cut and revision.

3DS sold 9.78 million in 2011+2012 and Switch will be around 6.8 million in 2017+2018. Without the year 1 price cut and year 2 revision, 3DS would probably be pretty similar to Switch.

Didn't the 3DS miss its fiscal year forecast despite the price cut? IIRC it was 15m and ended up in the 13-14m range. Doesn't look like premature panic, but an absolutely necessary measure.

For Japan specifically, the 3DS had a baseline in the low 20k before the price cut in August 2011. Switch only had its pre-Spatoon 2 baseline of ~25k in 2017 because of supply constraints. I do not believe that the 3DS would have sold as much as Switch (~6.8m) without price cut and revision, because it was already on pace for much lower sales and had an inferior first party release schedule.

Price cut was needed but did it have to be so big? 

 

The 3DS getting monster Hunter off psp and then Vita was huge. That imo was a major factor for it's overall success. 



Kerotan on 27 December 2018
RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:

Price cut was needed but did it have to be so big? 

The 3DS getting monster Hunter off psp and then Vita was huge. That imo was a major factor for it's overall success. 

Since Nintendo still failed to meet their fiscal year forecast, yes. Yes, it needed to be that big.

The 3DS exclusivity of Monster Hunter played a much bigger role in Vita's failure than 3DS's success. For the 3DS it would have hardly made a difference if it didn't have Monster Hunter.

But is the fiscal target the only thing that matters? I don't think it is. 

 

Also suggesting MH which brought a different audience to the platform in their millions wasn't doing much is crazy. 



Miyamotoo on 27 December 2018
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

There is no point to mention that because 3DS start selling great moment got huge price cut, and no, 3DS wouldn't be sold extremely well without price cut, $250 for handheld was too much in any case.

Didn't the price cut coincide with a huge game release followed by another big game soon after? 

This:

zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:

Didn't the price cut coincide with a huge game release followed by another big game soon after? 

Price cut was in August, big games started releasing in Nov/Dec.

 

 

Kerotan said:
RolStoppable said:

Since Nintendo still failed to meet their fiscal year forecast, yes. Yes, it needed to be that big.

The 3DS exclusivity of Monster Hunter played a much bigger role in Vita's failure than 3DS's success. For the 3DS it would have hardly made a difference if it didn't have Monster Hunter.

But is the fiscal target the only thing that matters? I don't think it is. 

Also suggesting MH which brought a different audience to the platform in their millions wasn't doing much is crazy. 

Its not only thing that matters, but matters when they planing year with price cut, revisions and releases. In short yes, they need huge 3DS price cut and even that want enough to meat their FY target. You dont have reason to suggest that big 3DS price wasn't needed.

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drinkandswim on 27 December 2018
Kerotan said:
drinkandswim said:
Congrats Nintendo! They officially have the largest relevant Install Base in Japan. This will do wonders for Third Party games going forward!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/12/switch_has_outsold_the_original_and_slim_playstation_4_in_japan

Not exactly true. 1 million people upgraded to the pro. Don't you think a large chunk of those were sold to other people or given to a friend/family member? 

 

I am sure some were sold, some are broken at this point, and some are kept as collectors items. But all in all Switch is close to or has surpassed the PS4 Japanese User base at this point (IMO). All the SKU's will be surpassed in Japan by the end of 2019 regardless.



tak13 on 27 December 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
tak13 said:

It's amusing to see people that celebrate so much on npd threads about how much the home and handheld console NS outpaces the handheld console 3ds in the USA, while here they give prominence only to profitability...
Just admit it, ns has a problem in Japan, which in the long run will become more and more visible.
I had warned people to not expect more than 300k in the biggest week for sales, ns simply doesn't have that potential.
Some Japanese people haven't embraced the hybrid nature of ns and the value that this actuality offers unlike the majority of consumers in the west, they view it as an expensive handheld-only console.
Hence, you can't expect 3ds level weekly sales, smash bros just inflated the sales of the previous recent weeks ( you ignored the fact that it was released in the first week of holidays and let that to lead you to wrong conclusions).
Ns lite will come to the rescue!

Heh, 3ds at that time: $175, Switch at the moment: $300, see the different? It's amusing to see you forget or ignore this thing on purpose

Of course I ignore it, because NS is a 300$ home and handheld console, not a 300$ handheld-only console... 



zorg1000 on 27 December 2018
tak13 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Heh, 3ds at that time: $175, Switch at the moment: $300, see the different? It's amusing to see you forget or ignore this thing on purpose

Of course I ignore it, because NS is a 300$ home and handheld console, not a 300$ handheld-only console... 

And consoles dont sell well in Japan so that doesnt add much value there.



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tak13 on 27 December 2018

 

 

zorg1000 said:
tak13 said:

Of course I ignore it, because NS is a 300$ home and handheld console, not a 300$ handheld-only console... 

And consoles dont sell well in Japan so that doesnt add much value there.

Sadly...

Didn't I say that some Japanese people view NS  as an expensive handheld-only console?

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tak13 on 27 December 2018

@Rolstoppable
I was referring to this post by me.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8919651
A discussion with zorg but I also had miyamoto in my mind ( or many other people, because the expectations of the majority was the same with zorg's) when I was writing that...

Last edited by tak13 - on 27 December 2018