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I have to hand it to MS. They sure are handling the backwards compatibility nicely. Xbox 360 ran some of the best OG Xbox games. XB1 runs most of the good 360/XB games. XB1X runs those XB/XB360 games at 60 FPS and a higher resolution.

I hope at the very least, Sony has the PS5 able to play any and all PS4 games.



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Yeah, I'll just get the Scarlett pro. I want my disc drive and games powered locally for at least one more generation. Let xCloud simmer and jump in when the tech is mature enough that even core gamers would be pressed to tell the difference.



HollyGamer said:

Trying to comparing Anaconda to  Xbox One X  is not correct , because Xbox Scorpio (X) technology to the original Xbox One is 2 generation leap . It means to be comparable and to be called premium it need two generational leap like Xbox One X is. Remember Xbox One is 1,3 teraflpo with the price 300 USD while Xbox One X is 6 teraflop with  500 USD in 4 years gap.  

Anaconda can be called premium if it 4 years gap , it's not just the price. But they can make it premium if it's price around 1000 USD. Because Xbox One X if it was released in 2013 it would have been price around 1000 USD. 

Flops has no correspondence to a console generation.

Next gen consoles, if they use the same Graphics Core Next derived hardware is essentially all the same GPU generation from the PC's perspective.

Mr Puggsly said:

Instead I feel like they would just push the X1X at $249, maybe there would be a remodel to make it cheaper to produce as well.

They would have to.
There are a few components in the Xbox One X which isn't super cheap to produce like the power delivery and the vapor chamber, so a stripped down model would do some big favors from a pricing point of view.

Cerebralbore101 said:
I have to hand it to MS. They sure are handling the backwards compatibility nicely. Xbox 360 ran some of the best OG Xbox games. XB1 runs most of the good 360/XB games. XB1X runs those XB/XB360 games at 60 FPS and a higher resolution.

Only a very tiny amount (25~ games in total out of 530~) of backwards compatible games run at a higher resolution on the Xbox One X.

ironmanDX said:
Yeah, I'll just get the Scarlett pro. I want my disc drive and games powered locally for at least one more generation. Let xCloud simmer and jump in when the tech is mature enough that even core gamers would be pressed to tell the difference.

I think I'll go for a cheaper disc-based model initially and migrate that into the spare room when the mid-generation high-end console drops.



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Pemalite said: 
Cerebralbore101 said:
I have to hand it to MS. They sure are handling the backwards compatibility nicely. Xbox 360 ran some of the best OG Xbox games. XB1 runs most of the good 360/XB games. XB1X runs those XB/XB360 games at 60 FPS and a higher resolution.

Only a very tiny amount (25~ games in total out of 530~) of backwards compatible games run at a higher resolution on the Xbox One X.

Actually, there are about 55 or so enhanced games. You forgot that all the OG xbox games are enhanced too, running at 1920p.



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flashfire926 said:
Pemalite said: 

Only a very tiny amount (25~ games in total out of 530~) of backwards compatible games run at a higher resolution on the Xbox One X.

Actually, there are about 55 or so enhanced games. You forgot that all the OG xbox games are enhanced too, running at 1920p.

So... 57 games out of 563 titles are enhanced. (OG+360) Not a real significant number either way, certainly not worth jumping onto an Xbox One X for just yet as we have no idea how long this scheme will stick around.

The Xbox 360 at this point is probably the better device to play Original Xbox games anyway, it can play more Original Xbox titles... And those consoles can be picked up super cheaply.



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Pemalite said:
flashfire926 said:

Actually, there are about 55 or so enhanced games. You forgot that all the OG xbox games are enhanced too, running at 1920p.

So... 57 games out of 563 titles are enhanced. (OG+360) Not a real significant number either way, certainly not worth jumping onto an Xbox One X for just yet as we have no idea how long this scheme will stick around.

The Xbox 360 at this point is probably the better device to play Original Xbox games anyway, it can play more Original Xbox titles... And those consoles can be picked up super cheaply.

Doesnt the OG xbox BC with 360 have a myriad of technical issues and problems?

Well yeah, those 57 games aren't worth enough themselves, but they are a huge bonus in addition to the current gen enhanced games that are already enhanced.

Though I still hope they add more OG Xbox games (GTA 3, Vice City, Burnout 3, Jet Set Radio Future, etc). 30 games is way too little , especially looking at the fact that we got 500+ 360 titles.



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Pemalite said: 
Cerebralbore101 said:
I have to hand it to MS. They sure are handling the backwards compatibility nicely. Xbox 360 ran some of the best OG Xbox games. XB1 runs most of the good 360/XB games. XB1X runs those XB/XB360 games at 60 FPS and a higher resolution.

Only a very tiny amount (25~ games in total out of 530~) of backwards compatible games run at a higher resolution on the Xbox One X.

 

I looked all over and couldn't find a complete list. Care to post one? 

Edit: Nevermind I found it. https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility Pretty underwhelming list. 

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DonFerrari said:
Let's see if they'll alienate the market or make good entry.

4 SKUs?  I'm going to go with alienate it.  This is a similar problem Steam Box faced.  Instead of a nice simple launch, they had multiple SKUs by different manufacturers.  I mean, retailers are going to have to take a stinking course just to know the differences.  Good luck passing that info on to your average consumer.  And then there will be a simple $399 PS5 SKU sitting next to all that confusion.  I think most would just say screw it and grab the PS5.

Also, the OP mentions Navi for the XB2.  I'm thinking they may have to go with Vega.  If AMD is truly working as closely with Sony in creating at least the first round of Navi GPUs as insiders have stated, I just don't see Sony being fine with them handing that tech right over to their competitors.  I would think Sony would have a console exclusivity agreement on that for at least a year or two.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Pemalite said: 

Only a very tiny amount (25~ games in total out of 530~) of backwards compatible games run at a higher resolution on the Xbox One X.

 

I looked all over and couldn't find a complete list. Care to post one? 

Edit: Nevermind I found it. https://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/backward-compatibility Pretty underwhelming list. 

In addition to these 25, the 30 OG games are all enhanced as well.



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thismeintiel said:
DonFerrari said:
Let's see if they'll alienate the market or make good entry.

4 SKUs?  I'm going to go with alienate it.  This is a similar problem Steam Box faced.  Instead of a nice simple launch, they had multiple SKUs by different manufacturers.  I mean, retailers are going to have to take a stinking course just to know the differences.  Good luck passing that info on to your average consumer.  And then there will be a simple $399 PS5 SKU sitting next to all that confusion.  I think most would just say screw it and grab the PS5.

Also, the OP mentions Navi for the XB2.  I'm thinking they may have to go with Vega.  If AMD is truly working as closely with Sony in creating at least the first round of Navi GPUs as insiders have stated, I just don't see Sony being fine with them handing that tech right over to their competitors.  I would think Sony would have a console exclusivity agreement on that for at least a year or two.

Considering 2 of them are streaming boxes it shouldn't be too hard to explain the differences to people. Just name them smartly and clearly label on the boxes which ones are for streaming and which are normal consoles, and make sure to put 1080p on the Lockhart box and 4K on the Anaconda box. The goal seems to be making Xbox more like the Surface family, where they have the Surface, Surface Prop, Surface Book, Surface Laptop, Surface Studio, and Surface Hub product lines.

Both PS5 and Anaconda seem to be using Navi, as Brad Sams said that Anaconda is using a Ryzen 2 CPU and a "next-gen" AMD GPU. The next graphics generation for AMD after the current Vega is Navi. https://wccftech.com/xbox-scarlett-4k-60fps/ The report that said that Sony was designing Navi with AMD was never confirmed and I'm not even sure which insider leaked it. Brad Sams on the other hand has very good sources at MS, leaking multiple MS products over the years. Anaconda is either using Navi, or MS is working with AMD to design a fully custom AMD GPU rather than a semi-custom AMD GPU based on the PC Navi line. 

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