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JRPGfan said:
LurkerJ said:

When will you stop spreading FUD?

The UK contract obligates AZ to give the UK priority over the first X million of doses through production facilities in both the UK and the EU. The EU contract doesn't make similar promises and does not prioritise the EU because guess what? AZ could only give the priority once to one buyer, first come first serve basis and the UK was first, that's what priority means after all.

The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. 

Moreover, the UK doesn't prohibit vaccines from being shipped out, a lie. The reason why it looks this way is because the contract we signed forces AZ to serve the UK first, as a result, 0 vaccines were shipped from the UK to the EU because we're still the priority customer by the laws of the contract we singed, so we also get vaccines from the EU as AZ knows that whatever it signed with the UK is legally binding.

The USA made similar deals with its vaccines maker, promised them deregulation and funding and signed early contracts that obligate them to serve the USA first, so the USA produced vaccines aren't being shipped out, shocker. 

On other hand, the EU contract doesn't obligate AZ to give the EU the same premium treatment that we got, as AZ naturally promised the EU it will try with "best reasonable efforts" as AZ can only do after making legal commitments to the UK. That's why AZ isn't worried about going to court nor the EU is trying make this into a legal battle. 

Playing the victim you say..... The EU wants the UK/USA-like premium service without actually making the effort to get that sort of service. It wants to sell its people the lie that the vaccines produced in Europe are making their out of the continent because of the EU kindness and not because of their terrible laughable late deals. It also wants you to believe that the UK is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out when in fact, we're just reaping the reward of signing contracts quickly and swiftly. 

Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for. The EU wants what it didn't pay for and they're trying to get it by force, it's borderline dictatorial.

And just like Flinten-Uschi (thanks Rol), you're crying "injustice" when in fact, you're behind because the EU was looking for Black Friday deals from vaccine makers, then you dare accuse the UK playing the victim when we're literally minding our own business

"Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for."


Yes... between the two UK or EU, only one of them is makeing vaccines, and shipping them outsides their borders.
(btw the EU is still shipping out vaccines, it isn't actively stopping them from being shipped out, its thinking about it only)

And its the EU.


"we only want what we paid for"

So does the EU. Its getting screwed over by AZ.
First come, first serve.... doesnt apply, when AZ screwed up its production, and had to take vaccines made in the EU and ship to the UK to fix it.
At the cost of the EU citizens.


You say I'm the one spreading FUD? 
(EU hasnt even started stopping vaccines from being shipped out, while the UK has been doing so for months and months)

Lmao, your the one twisting facts.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... its a duck.

UK isnt allowing any vaccines made in the UK shipped out.
Reguardless of how they went about that. Its still the situation.


EU is "thinking" about not allowing them to be shipped out.
It hasnt actually acted on it (to bad imo), if the UK can be a bish about vaccines, EU should be allowed to as well.
Don't see why EU should be kid gloves and kind to the UK when the UK isnt to the EU.

Nope, The EU doesn't want what it paid for. How to explain it to you in simplest term.. let's give it a go:

  1. The UK paid for the vaccine and express priority shipping on top, hence, it's getting the vaccine first
  2. The EU paid for the vaccine and signed contracts later, express priority shipping was taken off the menu because someone else took it, hence, you're on a waiting list. 
  3. AstraZeneca is obliged to give vaccines to the UK by law, otherwise, they're in big trouble, the only way this will change is when they fulfil their contract or if the UK releases them from their contract. 

A huge difference from how you're trying to paint it, the UK is getting what it paid for, if it meant that no vaccines are being shipped out so be it. Also a huge difference from what Merkel is trying to sell the world with lies like "the EU is sharing vaccines, the rest aren't".

A big fat lie, the EU isn't sharing shit, you have to own something first before you share it, the EU doesn't, but it wants to claim it by force, the totalitarian superstate in its true colors using totalitarian methods. 

To quote the New York Times:

"In short, the answer today is the same as it was in December, Slaoui said. The bloc shopped for vaccines like a customer. The United States basically went into business with the drugmakers, spending much more heavily to accelerate vaccine development, testing and production. “They assumed that simply contracting to acquire doses would be enough,” recalled Slaoui, whom President Donald Trump hired to speed the vaccine development. “In fact what was very important was to be a full, active partner in the development and the manufacturing of the vaccine. And to do so very early.

The result in Europe is a stumbling inoculation effort that has led to political fallout, with leaders pointing fingers over why some of the world’s richest countries, home to factories that churn out vast quantities of vaccine, cannot keep pace with other wealthy nations in injecting its people."

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OMG the obsession in this topic ? the Brexit government has succedded in one thing, we are doomed to hear it until we die ?

especially the "The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. "

do you people even consider the stats?

EU ordered 300m from AZ, UK 100m, it was impossible to keep up with EU deal so they prioritised UK that also trusted the vaccine more (there are about 20m unused doses in the EU) and also approved the vaccine 3 weeks earlier (EU had to get approval from all 27 members), nothing to do with a super quality deal from a super smart Brexit government (highest death ratio in Europe anyone)

UK has vaccinated 30m thus far, the EU has vaccinated 60m, one of the rare cases where EU's size is not in its favor

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccination-europe-by-the-numbers/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-18/europe-with-millions-of-doses-unused-is-divided-on-export-ban



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

It's really fun to see all this debacle when the EU actually does not like the vaccine, does not believe in it's efficacy, it's people does not believe in it and it's sitting in 10M+ doses not yet used. It's just a demonstration of power because UK of course is using it as a brexit victory.

Now the Italian police raided a vaccine factory to look for hidden UK batches. It's unbelievable. Just imagine when they have their own army.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/24/italian-authorities-raid-vaccine-factory-amid-false-fears-astrazeneca/



dark_gh0st_b0y said:


do you people even consider the stats?

The "stats" are:

1. AZ is to contractually bound to deliver 120mio doses to the EU. Signed and sealed contracts.

2a). AZ unilaterally cuts the amount to 30mio units

2b). AZ has yet delivered not even close to 30mio units

2c). EU gets really pissed

3. EU inspector thinks AZ hides true manufacturing capacity and has an Italian bottler inspected.

4. Italian police finds 29mio units in the fridge of the factory.

Here is where it is getting interesting:

4a). Italian police says the units were destined for Belgium

4b). Italian newspapers report units were destined for GB

4c). AZ immediately puts out a VEEEEEERY lame press statement 13mio for "poor countries", 16mio for EU

5. EU is even more pissed but key components of other vaccines are made in GB, and their own Trump threatens to stop delivering them in case of retributions/lawsuits.

That's where we're standing now. Lots of ego-fighting by otherwise irrelevant politicians and low-grade british newspapers.



drkohler said:

The "stats" are:

1. AZ is to contractually bound to deliver 120mio doses to the EU. Signed and sealed contracts.

2a). AZ unilaterally cuts the amount to 30mio units

2b). AZ has yet delivered not even close to 30mio units

2c). EU gets really pissed

3. EU inspector thinks AZ hides true manufacturing capacity and has an Italian bottler inspected.

4. Italian police finds 29mio units in the fridge of the factory.

Here is where it is getting interesting:

4a). Italian police says the units were destined for Belgium

4b). Italian newspapers report units were destined for GB

4c). AZ immediately puts out a VEEEEEERY lame press statement 13mio for "poor countries", 16mio for EU

5. EU is even more pissed but key components of other vaccines are made in GB, and their own Trump threatens to stop delivering them in case of retributions/lawsuits.

That's where we're standing now. Lots of ego-fighting by otherwise irrelevant politicians and low-grade british newspapers.

The comedy of errors continues with the EU raiding their own supplies.



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So its been a few months, since last post in this thread, and thought its time to maybe go over whats happend since.

Well so far, UK has failed to get 1 trade deal, that has better terms than what they already had, in terms of deals with said countries, back when they where in the EU. However to make headlines domestically, boris johnson needs trade deals quick, so their currently trying to rope in australia.

However, australia laid down that it wants barrier free trade on meat trade ect, in exchange.
What happends then? well farmers domestically (Uk/Scotland) are saying they wont be able to compete on equal terms with australian ones.
So soon the markets will be flooded with cheaper sheep/lam/cattle, from australia... which will devistate the local farming sector.

Solution? goverment is looking to "force" old / smaller farmers (likely to be impacted) to sell their lands, in exchange for a £100k check and asking them to go into retirement. Idea is that smaller farmers cant compete, so buy up large amounts of lands, and perphaps change production in the area, or just use land for something other.  

(its basically hush money, shut up, take this money, dont make noise, and let us be able to use the australia deal headline to score points politically)

Think Im jokeing? nope.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1394898480456417280.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57157094

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9593771/Boris-Johnson-backs-tariff-free-access-UK-food-markets-Australia.html

* Now, apparently theres also a lack of cheap labour that used to be eastern europeans, that came to the UK whenever it was time to pick fruit/vegatables/flowers.... which has resulted in alot of produce just rotting away, unpicked. Also the market has shrunk..... UK has less trade deals and area's to trade in, than when part of the EU, so prices for goods are probably down too. You gotta feel for the farming industry, brexit is really screwing them over.

Even just loseing out on the EU Common Agricultural Policy (which subsidies, and helps farmers).... UK farming sector is in for some stiff competition.
Not just from the EU side, but from Australia... and you can be sure, if UK does at some point get a deal with the USA, it will once again be screwed over. American hormone treated meats, GMOs, ect....



And to make it all the better:

Old promis's from brexit camp always seem to be broken.
This is just like them promising the fishing industry the moon & sky, and them leaving them high and dry.



Now this is ontop of : The fishing industry, The financial industry, the steel industry.... all takeing a beating for having Brexit, already.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 20 May 2021

The UK-Austrialian deal went though.



Its set to grow the UK economy by 0.02% (2/100th of a %) over 15 years.

Exsample:
EU only accepts 19,200 tons of sheep meat, from Australia pr year, tarrif free (for the entire EU).
(so it doesnt destry our markets, for say our sheep farmers)

UK choose to accept more than 25,000 Tons day 1, from Australia pr year (growing over a periode of 5-10years).
If your in the UK, and you previously lived off of sheep farming, this is gonna be a huge blow.
Its like that for Dairy (cheese) + noncheese, and Beef as well.

Huge blow to farming sector in the UK.... for a deal that grows UK economy a estimated 0.02% over a periode of 15 years.
(while probably killing off lart portions of jobs in their own farming sector)



*edit:

I just cant get over how many industries Brexit is effecting negatively.
Fishing, farming, services, banking/financing, steel industry, resturant/entertainment sector, even stuff like shortages of lorry drivers.
(they risk supply issues, to branches of industries simply because they dont have enough qualified people to drive trucks, for their own internal markets, after kicking out all the european drivers lol)

Its like disaster capitalism, a few rich people might benefit from it, while the rest of society just gets screwed over.

*edit 2:
The good news..... wages are on the rise, as certain jobs, are time critical, and there are shortages of hands to go around.
Case in point, Fruit pickers. British farmers are offering upwards of 20£ pr hour now, for pickers, after the usual easter europeans that used to do it for the UK, arn't getting accepted into the country.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1450052/brexit-news-latest-farm-workers-wages-soar-20-an-hour-covid-labour-shortage-fruit-picking

"Farmers estimate 500,000 workers are needed to cultivate the crops, which includes fruit pickers, vegetable packers and drives."

Easy way to generate upto 500k jobs.... just kick out all the europeans, and get UK cititizens to do it instead.
Just gotta find some young folk in good shape, willing to spend 8hours a day back bent, picking up fruit & veg.

"To keep people we have raised wages by 60 percent to nearly £20 per hour for packhouse staff and from this week we are having to pay them to turn up at £20 a day for a weekday and £30 for weekends.

"This now is unsustainable."

Mr Naylor appeared to blame Brexit, and added: "Yes a lot of us voted out [on Brexit] and now we have this problem!"

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 16 June 2021

The UK-Australia deal is set to have the UK diverge from EU on food stuff.
Because the EU-UK trade is around 50 times bigger than UK-Australia trade, this means that if it results in even just 2% trade loss with EU (likely), it will completely offset the UK-Australia trade.

*Meanwhile leading to conflicts in Northern Island, (over chilled meats/susage war), tarrifs by EU for breaking international law by UK... and while distroying their own farming sector.

Its crazy, and the media isnt even calling Boris out on it.



So on twitter theres no lots of people posting pics of empty shelves in the UK supermarkets...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15401760/supermarket-shelves-could-be-empty-in-weeks-brexit-covid/
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/business/bebusiness/19393504.brits-warned-inevitable-food-shortage-uk-supermarkets/?ref=twtrec




https://twitter.com/Gavarnos/status/1409545270287798274/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Gavarnos/status/1409545373346054146/photo/1

https://twitter.com/MariaMo32975161/status/1409549597979123718/photo/1





















Apparently when you ask like 1-1,5m people to leave your country, and you end up missing like 100,000+ truck drivers (lorries), food doesnt get delivered.
Stuff goes rotten and gets tossed out ect, instead. Shelves go empty in supermarkets.

Wonder if stuff like this will make any impact on brexit voters.



Time for a Update:
UK transition periode ended 31st december 2020.
So its been out of the EU, 8months or so, so I figur its time for a update and a look at how things are going so far.


Food Shortages:
People know the UK imports (their numbers) abit over 50% of its food stuff, from around the world (mainly europe).
What most probably dont know, is that if you make something eddible in the UK, even if all the ingredients are sourced from say EU, they count it as made in the UK. This means in reality food imports are over 80%. Basically UK only produce enough food to feed 2/10 Brits, and the other 8/10th's are gotten from trade.

Brexit happend, and suddenly theres paperwork, trucks dont carry loads both ways (half as effecient, requires more trucks), and something like 20,000 EU truck drivers left.
Ontop of that, there was Covid19, and lockdowns, and the UK couldnt train new truck drivers for a year or more, and with the ageing truckdrivers retireing, the need grew ever larger. Its estimated the UK needs roughly 110,000 truck drivers (HGV drivers). Once they get them, you should stop seeing shortages in stores.

However the UK isnt putting in solutions forwards, for "here and now" fix's to it.
They plan on increaseing the work hours of truck drivers (comes at the cost of safety, on roads), and education/training shorting of drivers (less checked/skilled drivers).
They said this should "fix itself" over a 2year periode, as more HGV drivers are certified. So food shortages may last a year or two more, until it goes away.

Dont believe it? Go on twitter and search for the #BrexitFoodShortages
(daily pics from local supermarkets in the UK, taken by people at their stores, when they notice it, will pop up)

Experts say its going to get worse, before it gets better.
(ei. its not hit rock bottom yet, and started to level out, worse is yet to come)

Fun stuff:

September 2019: "there will be no shortages of fresh food" (after brexit) - Michael Gove
September 2021: Michael Gove is put in charge of fixing the food supply chain broken by Brexit.




Imports and Exports to Europe (July 2020 - July 2021 ):
Eurostat numbers: Exports from UK to EU, fell by 17,1%. Imports to UK from EU, grew by 6,2%.

UK is offputting its "take back controll" slogan, and leaveing its boarders open to goods from EU without any checks (they dont want to make food shortages worse). The same is not true the otherway around. EU is controlling its borders, and doing checks ect, required to protect the single market.
The result, is EU companys are tradeing on a advatage into the UK market, while the same isnt true the otherway around, hurting UK based companies (and UK missing out on tax).

Source(proof) = https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/11563275/6-16092021-AP-EN.pdf/f2d5fabe-4988-ecd5-61d3-45fd2497acff


Gas/Elecrisity Prices go up:

2 things happend:
1) UK left the "EU's internal energy market" (it helps, keep prices down, avoid tarifs (on elecrisity/gas) ect)
2) A pipe/cable caught fire.

Why does this matter?
UK imports 5-10% of its electrisity from the EU, and 35-40% of its gas from the EU.
Over 50% of the UKs production of electristy is dependent on gas.

Shortage of it = harder to produce electrisity. Prices go up on gas, it effects electristy prices.

Now theres a periode of high demand for gas, globally, so prices have gone up abit, everywhere.
However remember that pipeline/kable I mention, that caught fire? its one of the reasons its worse in the UK.
It passes through France and goes to the Uk. The UK just royally p*ssed off the french, by backstabbing them, in a defense alliance with australia.
(those contracts for submerines, which is a smaller part, than the fact that 3 members sidelined a 4th member in a defense allience for years plotting byhinde its back)

So gas/electristy prices are high, and likely to stay that way in the UK for the forseeable future.

How bad can that be (how high are those prices)?

Well apparently the euro/MWh is roughly 3 times as high in the UK, as in most european countries atm.



Gas supply issues (CO2) (packageing meats/killing the animals)

Apparently, its a by-product, usually gotten from makeing fertilizer.
However, if your lacking chemicals, or demand/production of it is low, it effects how much CO2 you end up with.
With fruit/veg left to rot in fields, because of lack of workers to pick it..... farmers are not planning to seed as much for next year.
And they wont require as much fertilizer, and thus production is down.

Why does this matter?

Well apparently its used in all manner of things, from hospitals and surgeries, to packageing with chicken/pork, even to kill smaller animals.
So supermarkets might have less chicken/pork, if they dont have CO2, for the parketing part (as I understand it).
Now, theres already been issues with big producers of Turkey's in the UK, saying "Christmas is cancelled!"
(implying there wont be many turkey's come christmas in the UK):

Imagine come december you walk into a super market, and theres no turkey, no pork, no chicken, and barely any fresh fruit & vegs.?
(ontop of all the other stuff, running out)

Summery:
Inflation 3.2%+
Food prices gone up (alot of empty shelves).
Fuel prices gone up.
Gas(heating) and electrisity prices gone up.
Lack of fruit/veg pickers (from europe workers) ment it's left to rot in fields, in the UK.
Lack of butcher's (from european workers), means so far more than 100,000 pigs are heading for distruction (burning).
Lack of Lorry drivers (HGV).

Boris raised tax's by 1.25% to pay for NHS.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 21 September 2021