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JRPGfan said:
LurkerJ said:

When will you stop spreading FUD?

The UK contract obligates AZ to give the UK priority over the first X million of doses through production facilities in both the UK and the EU. The EU contract doesn't make similar promises and does not prioritise the EU because guess what? AZ could only give the priority once to one buyer, first come first serve basis and the UK was first, that's what priority means after all.

The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. 

Moreover, the UK doesn't prohibit vaccines from being shipped out, a lie. The reason why it looks this way is because the contract we signed forces AZ to serve the UK first, as a result, 0 vaccines were shipped from the UK to the EU because we're still the priority customer by the laws of the contract we singed, so we also get vaccines from the EU as AZ knows that whatever it signed with the UK is legally binding.

The USA made similar deals with its vaccines maker, promised them deregulation and funding and signed early contracts that obligate them to serve the USA first, so the USA produced vaccines aren't being shipped out, shocker. 

On other hand, the EU contract doesn't obligate AZ to give the EU the same premium treatment that we got, as AZ naturally promised the EU it will try with "best reasonable efforts" as AZ can only do after making legal commitments to the UK. That's why AZ isn't worried about going to court nor the EU is trying make this into a legal battle. 

Playing the victim you say..... The EU wants the UK/USA-like premium service without actually making the effort to get that sort of service. It wants to sell its people the lie that the vaccines produced in Europe are making their out of the continent because of the EU kindness and not because of their terrible laughable late deals. It also wants you to believe that the UK is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out when in fact, we're just reaping the reward of signing contracts quickly and swiftly. 

Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for. The EU wants what it didn't pay for and they're trying to get it by force, it's borderline dictatorial.

And just like Flinten-Uschi (thanks Rol), you're crying "injustice" when in fact, you're behind because the EU was looking for Black Friday deals from vaccine makers, then you dare accuse the UK playing the victim when we're literally minding our own business

"Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for."

Yes... between the two UK or EU, only one of them is makeing vaccines, and shipping them outsides their borders.
(btw the EU is still shipping out vaccines, it isn't actively stopping them from being shipped out, its thinking about it only)

And its the EU.

"we only want what we paid for"

So does the EU. Its getting screwed over by AZ.
First come, first serve.... doesnt apply, when AZ screwed up its production, and had to take vaccines made in the EU and ship to the UK to fix it.
At the cost of the EU citizens.

You say I'm the one spreading FUD? 
(EU hasnt even started stopping vaccines from being shipped out, while the UK has been doing so for months and months)

Lmao, your the one twisting facts.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... its a duck.

UK isnt allowing any vaccines made in the UK shipped out.
Reguardless of how they went about that. Its still the situation.

EU is "thinking" about not allowing them to be shipped out.
It hasnt actually acted on it (to bad imo), if the UK can be a bish about vaccines, EU should be allowed to as well.
Don't see why EU should be kid gloves and kind to the UK when the UK isnt to the EU.

Nope, The EU doesn't want what it paid for. How to explain it to you in simplest term.. let's give it a go:

  1. The UK paid for the vaccine and express priority shipping on top, hence, it's getting the vaccine first
  2. The EU paid for the vaccine and signed contracts later, express priority shipping was taken off the menu because someone else took it, hence, you're on a waiting list. 
  3. AstraZeneca is obliged to give vaccines to the UK by law, otherwise, they're in big trouble, the only way this will change is when they fulfil their contract or if the UK releases them from their contract. 

A huge difference from how you're trying to paint it, the UK is getting what it paid for, if it meant that no vaccines are being shipped out so be it. Also a huge difference from what Merkel is trying to sell the world with lies like "the EU is sharing vaccines, the rest aren't".

A big fat lie, the EU isn't sharing shit, you have to own something first before you share it, the EU doesn't, but it wants to claim it by force, the totalitarian superstate in its true colors using totalitarian methods. 

To quote the New York Times:

"In short, the answer today is the same as it was in December, Slaoui said. The bloc shopped for vaccines like a customer. The United States basically went into business with the drugmakers, spending much more heavily to accelerate vaccine development, testing and production. “They assumed that simply contracting to acquire doses would be enough,” recalled Slaoui, whom President Donald Trump hired to speed the vaccine development. “In fact what was very important was to be a full, active partner in the development and the manufacturing of the vaccine. And to do so very early.

The result in Europe is a stumbling inoculation effort that has led to political fallout, with leaders pointing fingers over why some of the world’s richest countries, home to factories that churn out vast quantities of vaccine, cannot keep pace with other wealthy nations in injecting its people."

Last edited by LurkerJ - on 24 March 2021