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| LurkerJ said: Nice screenshot you got there, with two articles from a website that is ever so slightly less reliable than the guardian. She's not acting desperate, she's deluded. And what is your point, really? the UK decided in early last year that they wanted to secure their own deals with vaccines manufacturers, broke the mold with the one-shot strategy, and not budged to the EU veil threats. All sound decisions, if anything, the EU can benefit by following our footsteps soon adopt our vaccination tactic. |
my point is the overall matter is exaggerated in the UK to support Brexit, talked more than in the EU itself
anyhow it is much easier for companies to keep up with production for UK demand rather than 7x bigger EU demand
the UK is doing a great job with vaccination, no doubt, and I just found out that 'express' readers share has droppped to 7%, good sign!
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210206-how-the-eu-s-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-became-an-advert-for-brexit
don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^
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Charles Michel had to backtrack after telling the same lies you are telling. Will you do the same? Oxford invented a vaccine 1/10th the cost of the nearest competitor and promised to provide it to everyone with no profit during the pandemic. If it was up to me, the EU wouldn't be getting any of the Oxford vaccine. The UK should be getting 100% of the first 140m doses. We should have ensured all of the vaccine was produced in a country that can be trusted even if it meant rollout took longer. |
At the bolded part: Source?
Also, Oxford invented that vaccine... but they did so in cooperation with Astra, the Swedish part of AstraZeneca. Oxford themselves wouldn't have been able to do it without access to their facilities. The vaccine is a product of UK-EU cooperation, if you like it or not.
Also, the UK should have gotten 100% of the first 140M doses? You are aware that over half of those are getting produced in the EU, right? So in short, you want the EU to help develop the vaccine, produce it for you, ship it free of charge and give the EU a kick in the arse for helping develop the vaccine and producing it for you and expect them not to raise their voice in protest?
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as I said before it is a mater of life and death, the difference won't be much but they are trying to save as many EU citizen lives as possible
Brexit-supporting news sources will take any opportunity to present Brexit as a success, hoping that people will forget about the unnecessary deaths from 2020, it seems to be working :/
the anti-EU brainwashing has been in the making the last 2 decades, leading to Brexit, belittling every EU success and exaggerating every failure, and success that could not be belittled was presented as UK government success, the trend didn't change much
don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of the guardian, I am a Christian conservative person myself and I love the 90s UK with its culture and values, I just don't believe that Brexit will bring back any of it
don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^
Bofferbrauer2 said:
At the bolded part: Source? Also, Oxford invented that vaccine... but they did so in cooperation with Astra, the Swedish part of AstraZeneca. Oxford themselves wouldn't have been able to do it without access to their facilities. The vaccine is a product of UK-EU cooperation, if you like it or not. Also, the UK should have gotten 100% of the first 140M doses? You are aware that over half of those are getting produced in the EU, right? So in short, you want the EU to help develop the vaccine, produce it for you, ship it free of charge and give the EU a kick in the arse for helping develop the vaccine and producing it for you and expect them not to raise their voice in protest? |
"But he also noted “different ways of imposing bans or restrictions on vaccines/medicines,” backtracking from his original unequivocal accusation in favor of a more muddled complaint."
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-hits-out-at-eu-over-claim-it-has-banned-vaccine-exports/
The UK and EU didn't invent or produce anything. If AZ didn't agree to Oxford's terms, Oxford would have chosen someone else to work with.
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Pyro as Bill said:
"But he also noted “different ways of imposing bans or restrictions on vaccines/medicines,” backtracking from his original unequivocal accusation in favor of a more muddled complaint." https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-hits-out-at-eu-over-claim-it-has-banned-vaccine-exports/ The UK and EU didn't invent or produce anything. If AZ didn't agree to Oxford's terms, Oxford would have chosen someone else to work with. |
That bolded part is factually wrong. Over half the doses of the AstraZeneca Vaccine are produced outside of the UK in Belgium and the Netherlands. The Belgian production partner, Novastep, is actually responsible for some of the production delays as it's yields are lower than expected.
Also, if AZ wouldn't have agreed, someone else would have been chosen... but who else in the UK would be big enough and and have the necessary facilities to produce the vaccine en masse? Maybe then they would have needed to choose an European company with no ties in the UK and those wouldn't have sent 9M+ doses to the UK. You present it as if it wouldn't have changed anything, but for the UK, chances would have been that the outcome of a deal with another company would have been much worse for the UK.
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Pyro as Bill said:
Charles Michel had to backtrack after telling the same lies you are telling. Will you do the same? Oxford invented a vaccine 1/10th the cost of the nearest competitor and promised to provide it to everyone with no profit during the pandemic. If it was up to me, the EU wouldn't be getting any of the Oxford vaccine. The UK should be getting 100% of the first 140m doses. We should have ensured all of the vaccine was produced in a country that can be trusted even if it meant rollout took longer. |
This is the truth.
Az vaccine has production in europe, and some of it is shipped back to the UK.
Meanwhile, of the production of AZ in the UK, 0 of it has been shipped accross borders by the UK, it doesnt allow this.
The only reason AZ is able to sell them to the EU, is because it buildt the needed fabrication in the EU to do so.
Who invented (where the company is located) or who invested (both did, about the same time too), doesn't really matter towards what I'm saying.
The truth of the matter is the UK doesnt allow any vaccines produced in the UK, to be exported.
Meanwhile the EU, does, and has shipped over 9m vaccines to the UK.
UK has vaccinated 24m people.
Without the EU being nice to the UK, that number would only be 15m.
(if the EU acted the same way the UK did, it would not have gotten those 9m vaccines)
Now for some reason, you seem to think its okay for the UK to act one way, but not okay for others to act the same way towards the UK.
Double standards much?
Why does the UK always play the victim, and act like the EU are villians?
EU is thinking about acting the way the UK is (not allowing vaccines to be shipped outsides their borders)
"OMG the EU are villians! only we the UK have the right to act this way!"
One is actually already doing this (the UK), while the other is just thinking about it (the EU).
And the bad guy in all this is obviously the EU? who has been overlooking their own citizens plight to help other countries get their vaccines.
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When will you stop spreading FUD? The UK contract obligates AZ to give the UK priority over the first X million of doses through production facilities in both the UK and the EU. The EU contract doesn't make similar promises and does not prioritise the EU because guess what? AZ could only give the priority once to one buyer, first come first serve basis and the UK was first, that's what priority means after all. The EU was looking for cheap deals, the UK was looking for the best deal. No fishy business here. Moreover, the UK doesn't prohibit vaccines from being shipped out, a lie. The reason why it looks this way is because the contract we signed forces AZ to serve the UK first, as a result, 0 vaccines were shipped from the UK to the EU because we're still the priority customer by the laws of the contract we singed, so we also get vaccines from the EU as AZ knows that whatever it signed with the UK is legally binding. The USA made similar deals with its vaccines maker, promised them deregulation and funding and signed early contracts that obligate them to serve the USA first, so the USA produced vaccines aren't being shipped out, shocker. On other hand, the EU contract doesn't obligate AZ to give the EU the same premium treatment that we got, as AZ naturally promised the EU it will try with "best reasonable efforts" as AZ can only do after making legal commitments to the UK. That's why AZ isn't worried about going to court nor the EU is trying make this into a legal battle. Playing the victim you say..... The EU wants the UK/USA-like premium service without actually making the effort to get that sort of service. It wants to sell its people the lie that the vaccines produced in Europe are making their out of the continent because of the EU kindness and not because of their terrible laughable late deals. It also wants you to believe that the UK is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out when in fact, we're just reaping the reward of signing contracts quickly and swiftly. Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for. The EU wants what it didn't pay for and they're trying to get it by force, it's borderline dictatorial. And just like Flinten-Uschi (thanks Rol), you're crying "injustice" when in fact, you're behind because the EU was looking for Black Friday deals from vaccine makers, then you dare accuse the UK playing the victim when we're literally minding our own business |
"Between the UK and EU, only one of them is actively stopping the vaccines from being shipped out with political interference, and it's not us, we only want what we paid and signed for."
Yes... between the two UK or EU, only one of them is makeing vaccines, and shipping them outsides their borders.
(btw the EU is still shipping out vaccines, it isn't actively stopping them from being shipped out, its thinking about it only)
And its the EU.
"we only want what we paid for"
So does the EU. Its getting screwed over by AZ.
First come, first serve.... doesnt apply, when AZ screwed up its production, and had to take vaccines made in the EU and ship to the UK to fix it.
At the cost of the EU citizens.
You say I'm the one spreading FUD?
(EU hasnt even started stopping vaccines from being shipped out, while the UK has been doing so for months and months)
Lmao, your the one twisting facts.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... its a duck.
UK isnt allowing any vaccines made in the UK shipped out.
Reguardless of how they went about that. Its still the situation.
EU is "thinking" about not allowing them to be shipped out.
It hasnt actually acted on it (to bad imo), if the UK can be a bish about vaccines, EU should be allowed to as well.
Don't see why EU should be kid gloves and kind to the UK when the UK isnt to the EU.
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