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Pyro as Bill said:

Hands off our vaccines Brussels.

A UK company who produces in Europe (Belgium and the Netherlands, to be exact) in addition to the UK, and does it in cooperation with an European company based in Sweden. So you can get all those produced in the UK, but not those produced in Europe - but you do take those right now, too, hence your lead in vaccinating.

So hands off our vaccines, Westminster.

Last edited by Bofferbrauer2 - on 28 January 2021

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Hands off our vaccines Brussels.

A UK company who produces in Europe (Belgium and the Netherlands, to be exact) in addition to the UK, and does it in cooperation with an European company based in Sweden. So you can get all those produced in the UK, but not those produced in Europe - but you do take those right now, too, hence your lead in vaccinating.

So hands off our vaccines, Westminster.

EU=/=Europe. The EU dun goofed.



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Meanwhile Germany blocks the use of the AZ vaccine for over-65s and the EU still hasn't approved it for use so what's the problem? Sounds like the EU doesn't want our vaccine anyway.



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Pyro as Bill said:

Meanwhile Germany blocks the use of the AZ vaccine for over-65s and the EU still hasn't approved it for use so what's the problem? Sounds like the EU doesn't want our vaccine anyway.

The EU are mad that UK pressured Astra-Zeneca, to massively scale down how many they where selling to the EU.

EU had a deal with AZ, to deliver 131m dosses of it.
AZ turned down that number, from 131m down to 30m.

Meanwhile AZ is drastically increaseing how many dosses its going to sell to the UK.


Do you get the issue now?

AZ are chooseing to break deals with the EU, so it can instead give more to the UK.

Like if have a deal to sell 131m by x time.
And get told, sorry we have to scale that down by 100m  (you can only get 31m).
Meanwhile EU notices the UK suddenly get sold 100m more (which were likely the doses ment to go to EU).

Now somehow, the UK people in this thread, are spinning this as "EU is evil" ?

UK gov, pressured them, into breaking their word/deal with EU to deliver vaccines.
EU is mad, because money is paid, and a deal is a deal.
Being told, you can just wait (we re giveing more to the UK first) wasnt in the deal.


You know whats happend?
EU has blocked drugs used to treat covid patients, going into the UK.
Tit for tat.

A massive legal battle is gonna play out because of this.
UK started this. It doesnt reflect well on the EU, to return fire.
That said, EU cant just stand watching as UK screws over the EU.


#VaccineWars

Its gonna happend, if 1 country starts screwing over others, its gonna start the ball rolling.
EU now keeping a close eye on Pfizer vaccine, to make sure others arnt trying to screw them over like the UK just did.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 January 2021

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Pyro as Bill said:

Meanwhile Germany blocks the use of the AZ vaccine for over-65s and the EU still hasn't approved it for use so what's the problem? Sounds like the EU doesn't want our vaccine anyway.

The reason germany has blocked it for those over 65, is because they recieved 0 study data, on older people.
The people that developed it, either didnt bother studying effects on the elderly, or choose to hide data, and not supply it to the EU.

So germany is like "we dont actually know if this thing works on those over 65".

They want it, otherwise EU wouldnt have a deal for 130m+ with them.
Otherwise they wouldnt be angry, to be told "sorry you can only get 31m" (while their secretly giveing 100m more to UK instead).



JRPGfan said:

The EU are mad that UK pressured Astra-Zeneca, to massively scale down how many they where selling to the EU.

EU had a deal with AZ, to deliver 131m dosses of it.
AZ turned down that number, from 131m down to 30m.

Meanwhile AZ is drastically increaseing how many dosses its going to sell to the UK.


Do you get the issue now?

AZ are chooseing to break deals with the EU, so it can instead give more to the UK.

Like if have a deal to sell 131m by x time.
And get told, sorry we have to scale that down by 100m  (you can only get 31m).
Meanwhile EU notices the UK suddenly get sold 100m more (which were likely the doses ment to go to EU).

Now somehow, the UK people in this thread, are spinning this as "EU is evil" ?

UK gov, pressured them, into breaking their word/deal with EU to deliver vaccines.
EU is mad, because money is paid, and a deal is a deal.
Being told, you can just wait (we re giveing more to the UK first) wasnt in the deal.


You know whats happend?
EU has blocked drugs used to treat covid patients, going into the UK.
Tit for tat.

A massive legal battle is gonna play out because of this.
UK started this. It doesnt reflect well on the EU, to return fire.
That said, EU cant just stand watching as UK screws over the EU.


#VaccineWars

Its gonna happend, if 1 country starts screwing over others, its gonna start the ball rolling.
EU now keeping a close eye on Pfizer vaccine, to make sure others arnt trying to screw them over like the UK just did.

It's you that doesn't get it.

Oxford partnered with AZ on condition we get 100m doses first and the Gov funded it immediately. That was in April 2020.

If AZ didn't agree then guess what? Another company would have been chosen instead.

When did the EU finalise its order with AZ?

You need to source your false accusations instead of naively believing your failed politicians.

"Gallina, shaken by the move, dived into the customs records to find evidence that AstraZeneca had shipped EU-produced doses to the UK – but without success."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/29/we-had-to-go-it-alone-how-the-uk-got-ahead-in-the-covid-vaccine-race?CMP=share_btn_tw

Last edited by Pyro as Bill - on 30 January 2021

Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

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Pyro as Bill said:
JRPGfan said:

The EU are mad that UK pressured Astra-Zeneca, to massively scale down how many they where selling to the EU.

EU had a deal with AZ, to deliver 131m dosses of it.
AZ turned down that number, from 131m down to 30m.

Meanwhile AZ is drastically increaseing how many dosses its going to sell to the UK.


Do you get the issue now?

AZ are chooseing to break deals with the EU, so it can instead give more to the UK.

Like if have a deal to sell 131m by x time.
And get told, sorry we have to scale that down by 100m  (you can only get 31m).
Meanwhile EU notices the UK suddenly get sold 100m more (which were likely the doses ment to go to EU).

Now somehow, the UK people in this thread, are spinning this as "EU is evil" ?

UK gov, pressured them, into breaking their word/deal with EU to deliver vaccines.
EU is mad, because money is paid, and a deal is a deal.
Being told, you can just wait (we re giveing more to the UK first) wasnt in the deal.


You know whats happend?
EU has blocked drugs used to treat covid patients, going into the UK.
Tit for tat.

A massive legal battle is gonna play out because of this.
UK started this. It doesnt reflect well on the EU, to return fire.
That said, EU cant just stand watching as UK screws over the EU.


#VaccineWars

Its gonna happend, if 1 country starts screwing over others, its gonna start the ball rolling.
EU now keeping a close eye on Pfizer vaccine, to make sure others arnt trying to screw them over like the UK just did.

It's you that doesn't get it.

Oxford partnered with AZ on condition we get 100m doses first and the Gov funded it immediately. That was in April 2020.

If AZ didn't agree then guess what? Another company would have been chosen instead.

When did the EU finalise its order with AZ?

You need to source your false accusations instead of naively believing your failed politicians.

"Gallina, shaken by the move, dived into the customs records to find evidence that AstraZeneca had shipped EU-produced doses to the UK – but without success."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/29/we-had-to-go-it-alone-how-the-uk-got-ahead-in-the-covid-vaccine-race?CMP=share_btn_tw

First come first served?  (UK ordered 2-3 months earlier than EU did)

Is your arugement.

Mine is, AZ promised more than they could deliver, and choose to screw over the EU, by giveing more vaccines (that then got taken from amount they promised to deliver to EU) to the UK.

What is EU supposed to think, when you get told "sorry we cant deliver what we promised on, heres 31m instead of 131m promised".
Meanwhile they suddenly have all the vacccines the UK wanted?

Its obvious that AZ is prioritiseing the UK, over EU.

AZ shouldnt have made deals with both the EU and UK, to deliver X amounts by Y date, if it couldnt keep those promises.

And instead of "shareing" the burdon of its lesser production, equally between the EU and UK, its upholding its UK agreement by shafting the EU.

Time matters with vaccines, being told, you can just get them half a year lateron or so, dont worry, you already paid for it, we will deliver them, just lateron.
That doesnt work.

UK might have helped fiance AZ developement, but its not like AZ didnt take money from others/ EU and orders too to pay for it as well.

You can understand why the EU is angry at seeing AZ screw them over right?
If you promis to deliever X amount of vaccines by Y date, and only get like 1/4th the amount (or less), while you see them shipping more to the UK...

AZ broke their agreement amounts with the EU.
They did this because of them chooseing to honor UK ones, and with a little pressure from UK gov on them.

*Edit:

Basically production issues are AZ's problems.
To be fair, you would expect they would spread the issue out on both sides.

Instead AZ production in EU, isnt working anywhere near where it should.
And UK is keeping vaccines in country and not allowing them to be shipped out.

EU feels like its being played by AZ + UK.

EU reponse than we can "fix" the issue, by keeping Pfizer doses of vaccines from reaching the UK, tit for tat.

Its basically fighting over vaccines, and UK winning out, while AZ basically cheats the EU from its deal/contract.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 January 2021

UK got alot of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines.... by partly screwing over the EU.

Now it turns out, its only 10% effective against the South African variant of Covid19.

10%!!! thats like nothing.

And to make matters worse, theres now community spread of the South African variant inside the UK.
Another month or two, and it ll probably be the dominant variant, and un-do all the good work the UK did with getting so many vaccinated.



JRPGfan said:

UK got alot of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines.... by partly screwing over the EU.

Now it turns out, its only 10% effective against the South African variant of Covid19.

10%!!! thats like nothing.

And to make matters worse, theres now community spread of the South African variant inside the UK.
Another month or two, and it ll probably be the dominant variant, and un-do all the good work the UK did with getting so many vaccinated.

my god, that makes the AZ vaccine literally useless

countries should shift focus to the Pfizer vaccine as well as inverstigating all other vaccines - including Russian and Chinese, while AZ halts production and looks how to upgrade their vaccine



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