Well, we got less new franchises this gen, but overall the quality of the games increased compared to the previous gen. We saw many reboots (wide definition) of old franchises, like Hitman, Zelda, Doom, God of War, Monster Hunter, Wolfenstein, etc... Some new games, which might be (or already are) the starting point of new franchises, like Horizon, Splatoon, Nioh, Bloodborne... Finally, many games released this gen are considered the best in their series: BotW, Persona 5, RDR2, Nier:Automata, DSIII, Mortal Kombat X, SSBU (soon). Compared to Wii Sports, Assassin's Creed or Playstation All Stars this is promising, even though the numbers of actual new franchises is lower.

Why are people making lists or criticizing other lists using double standards? All it does is call their own judgement into question and make their argument suspect. If someone lists a Haze or an LA Noire than tries to discredit another game for being disappointing then something is wrong.

Not a chance. It is all subjective. OP includes games like Kane and Lynch (Meta 67), you include games like Just Cause (75 meta), why can't people include Destiny?

Where is your commentary for the first list, though?  Where is the "meh" for RAGE?  LA Noire is probably a dead IP (and rightly so).  Sleeping Dogs and Tomb Raider were "sales disappointments."  There was no consistency with your list, though I wasn't referencing any post in particular.  

Yep and Destiny 2 had a meta of 85. You say stuff like "Comparing it to say Destiny from this gen, which got a low 70's score on metacritic at release, you can objectively say that LA Noire was a better new IP. "  But objectively speaking, Destiny is definitely a much bigger and much more enjoyed ip than LA noire. Personally, I don't care about either Destiny or LA noire.

And in your reboot list, you include something like Fallout or Wolfenstein but don't include stuff like God of War or Monster Hunter World.

While you have The Division, with a meta of 80 and a massive hit in terms of sales, labeled as a "disappointment."

If you try to make one side look bad and another side look good while applying inconsistent judgement rules then people are going to take your argument less seriously.  Like it or not, that's just the simple truth.

When did I say there weren't new ips? My first reply in this thread was saying how I found most new ips  this gen disappointing. 

There have been lots of new IP's this gen. Sure, last gen had games like Bioshock, Gears, Dead Space, Uncharted, Last of Us, Mass Effect, and Assassin's creed. It's hard to match that level of quality, but this gen has been no slouch. Horizon ZD, Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Evil Within, Bloodborne, Hellblade, Titanfall, and some of the best is yet to come! Games in general cost more and take longer to develop compared to any previous gen. It was inevitable that the number of new IP's released were going to take a hit.

The OP's list is flawed. Forza, RDR, and Just Cause are not new IP's from last gen.

Someone complaining about too few new franchises this gen, that can't see the 100's of new franchises that have been created this gen?

To find new things you have to look around, and seek out things out of your comfort zone. Maybe even try a new platform. PSVR has brought more new expereinces/franchises than PS3/360 and PS4/XBO combined. If you want something new, VR is the place to go. That said, as has been pointed out in multiple posts, their are plenty of new franchises on PS4/XBO in their own right.

As for what games are good (since that seems to have turned into a discussion), go try things yourself. Don't let others decide what you play. Now is a great time to look into new franchises, and give them a go. You should be able to pick up many of the games listed in other posts for less than $20. In my expereince, a lot of games that get bashed in the gaming media/community are actually quite good, while many of the games praised are actually some of the worst.

He should have been more specific with Forza in that case.