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I only managed to watch a little bit, because it was extremely cringe, and I'm not in the mood for that.
Kanye said "Because in an alternate universe, I'm you. (Trump)" and that's about what I expected.

Someone earlier described it as " his speech itself. It's like, he'll say 2 nutty or incoherent things followed by one nugget of brilliance."
And I assumed the rest would go something like that. I might check out the rest when I'm mentally prepared, but it's nice that he brought Yeezee manufacturing to the US.

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irstupid said:
Torillian said:

In the case I am referencing republican lawmakers asked for voter information by race and then made laws that disallowed the kind of ID that black people use and closed polling centers in places that were mostly black. So yeah, that voter ID law was racist. It's quite possible that it was done solely from a rational of "they don't vote for us" but the end result is still racist and the courts agree. 

Can I get a link to that? I've never heard that before.

Besides, what would he need extra voter info by race for? You want race info, just look at the census done every so many years. On those, you have to list race, ect. They could tell then what district race make-up is and just look at the prior voting results and extrapolate from there how races are voting.

Most voter ID situations I hear involve wanting voter ID. People screaming its discriminatory, and yet the state saying they will provide free ID's. So even "IF" the id's black people had (why would their ID's be any different than anyone else's?) were not allowed, they could just go and get a new one for free.

They didn't want just where black people voted, but when and what kind of ID they were using. 

"“[P]rior to enactment” of the law, the Fourth Circuit explained, “the legislature requested and received racial data as to usage of the practices changed by the proposed law.” Released from the obligation to clear their law with the Justice department and “with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans.” Photo IDs used more often by black voters, including public assistance IDs, were removed from the list of acceptable identification, while IDs issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles—which blacks are less likely to have—were retained. Cutting the first week of early voting came in reaction to data showing that the first seven days were used by large numbers of black voters, nixing one Sunday on which churches would bus “souls-to-the-polls”. Banning same-day registration, too, had an outsize effect on blacks, as did the prohibition on out-of-precinct voting: both changes made voting harder for people who had recently moved, and blacks are more itinerant than whites."

http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2016/08/01/north-carolina-voter-id-law-is-struck-down-as-racially-discriminatory



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Torillian said:
irstupid said:

Can I get a link to that? I've never heard that before.

Besides, what would he need extra voter info by race for? You want race info, just look at the census done every so many years. On those, you have to list race, ect. They could tell then what district race make-up is and just look at the prior voting results and extrapolate from there how races are voting.

Most voter ID situations I hear involve wanting voter ID. People screaming its discriminatory, and yet the state saying they will provide free ID's. So even "IF" the id's black people had (why would their ID's be any different than anyone else's?) were not allowed, they could just go and get a new one for free.

They didn't want just where black people voted, but when and what kind of ID they were using. 

"“[P]rior to enactment” of the law, the Fourth Circuit explained, “the legislature requested and received racial data as to usage of the practices changed by the proposed law.” Released from the obligation to clear their law with the Justice department and “with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans.” Photo IDs used more often by black voters, including public assistance IDs, were removed from the list of acceptable identification, while IDs issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles—which blacks are less likely to have—were retained. Cutting the first week of early voting came in reaction to data showing that the first seven days were used by large numbers of black voters, nixing one Sunday on which churches would bus “souls-to-the-polls”. Banning same-day registration, too, had an outsize effect on blacks, as did the prohibition on out-of-precinct voting: both changes made voting harder for people who had recently moved, and blacks are more itinerant than whites."

http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2016/08/01/north-carolina-voter-id-law-is-struck-down-as-racially-discriminatory

in that case, good thing it was stopped. Maybe the enacted an alternative, like they could go and get the correct ID for free, but if they didn't implement enough time to do so, it should not have to take into effect till next election. But, I still agree voter ID laws should remain or be enacted.

Every state should supply a free photo ID to anyone that wants one. That ID can be used for anything beyond this big things, like driving and flying.

But people need an ID for alcohol, cigarettes, welfare, food stamps, getting a job, ect. If there are multiple different types out there, then consolidate it into just one type. Make that free to acquire.



irstupid said:
Torillian said:

They didn't want just where black people voted, but when and what kind of ID they were using. 

"“[P]rior to enactment” of the law, the Fourth Circuit explained, “the legislature requested and received racial data as to usage of the practices changed by the proposed law.” Released from the obligation to clear their law with the Justice department and “with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans.” Photo IDs used more often by black voters, including public assistance IDs, were removed from the list of acceptable identification, while IDs issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles—which blacks are less likely to have—were retained. Cutting the first week of early voting came in reaction to data showing that the first seven days were used by large numbers of black voters, nixing one Sunday on which churches would bus “souls-to-the-polls”. Banning same-day registration, too, had an outsize effect on blacks, as did the prohibition on out-of-precinct voting: both changes made voting harder for people who had recently moved, and blacks are more itinerant than whites."

http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2016/08/01/north-carolina-voter-id-law-is-struck-down-as-racially-discriminatory

in that case, good thing it was stopped. Maybe the enacted an alternative, like they could go and get the correct ID for free, but if they didn't implement enough time to do so, it should not have to take into effect till next election. But, I still agree voter ID laws should remain or be enacted.

Every state should supply a free photo ID to anyone that wants one. That ID can be used for anything beyond this big things, like driving and flying.

But people need an ID for alcohol, cigarettes, welfare, food stamps, getting a job, ect. If there are multiple different types out there, then consolidate it into just one type. Make that free to acquire.

I would be fine with a voter ID law if the state sent you the ID for free. I got a social security card for my newborn (at the time) son in the mail so I think a voter ID card should be easy enough. I will specify, however, that I do not think that the republicans have met the burden of proof to implicate that voter fraud is enough of an issue to warrant imposing restrictions on one of our most important rights. I would only be in favor of such laws if they imposed basically no barrier to those that should be voting.

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PortisheadBiscuit said:
LurkerJ said:
It's only amazing if we go by hip-hop/rappers standards.

Um..what is that supposed to mean?

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.



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RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Um..what is that supposed to mean?

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

To people who don't know anything about hip hop except trap and gangsta rap, this is probably true. The culture extends far beyond that narrow-minded view however. 



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RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Um..what is that supposed to mean?

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

There are many big lyrical rappers like Kendrick Laman,  Logic, J Cole.



Torillian said:
irstupid said:

in that case, good thing it was stopped. Maybe the enacted an alternative, like they could go and get the correct ID for free, but if they didn't implement enough time to do so, it should not have to take into effect till next election. But, I still agree voter ID laws should remain or be enacted.

Every state should supply a free photo ID to anyone that wants one. That ID can be used for anything beyond this big things, like driving and flying.

But people need an ID for alcohol, cigarettes, welfare, food stamps, getting a job, ect. If there are multiple different types out there, then consolidate it into just one type. Make that free to acquire.

I would be fine with a voter ID law if the state sent you the ID for free. I got a social security card for my newborn (at the time) son in the mail so I think a voter ID card should be easy enough. I will specify, however, that I do not think that the republicans have met the burden of proof to implicate that voter fraud is enough of an issue to warrant imposing restrictions on one of our most important rights. I would only be in favor of such laws if they imposed basically no barrier to those that should be voting.

Little hard to send it in the mail, considering it needs to have a photo. I guess for passport, I went to costco/sams club or something and got my photo taken there cause they do that and then sent it in.

But what restrictions would there be to getting an ID? Just prove you're a citizen. 

Like I said, they need to get an ID for lots of things like alcohol, cigs, welfare, job, ect. Getting an ID is not rocket science, hard or expensive. Most people too bothered to get an ID would be too bothered to vote.



RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Um..what is that supposed to mean?

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

Not only did that explanation did not help it really only explained your viewpoint of hip hop music.  Just because you are ignorant of the music doesn't mean your viewpoint is widely shared.