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John2290 said:
I can't believe the mainstream lefist media are making this into a bad thing. I thought it was hyperbole when people say democrats in the US treat black people as their slaves politically but seeing the reaction to this and how racist they have exposed themselves I think it might have some semblance of being true. They seem to tokenize blacks for votes and to rally their own agendas and a black man meeting with Trump and wearing a MAGA hat seems to terrify them. I've seen nothing but racism from the left being thrown at Kanye over the last few days with only right wing people being the only sane voices. Now it's clear to be where and why racism is being kept alive and it's not the right. What I've seen on CNN the last 48 hours scares the fuck out of me. I hope this is a wake up call that unless the divisiveness stops we'll still be dealing with racism generations from now. Kanye has balls of steal to stand up for what he believes, use his influence to make change he sees as positoves and help out some people who were screwed over by the justice system and it's shameful the left are trying to tare him down loke a slave who stepped out of line. I'm ashamed to be on this earth with people who still act this way three generations strong post the civil rights movement.

People like you are annoying. I'm black and I don't vote republican because I refuse to vote for a party that doesn't believe in climate change or calls for banning Muslims or defends confederate statues or puts NRA support over gun reform or makes the process of legal immigration harder and more time consuming and no amount of incoherent rambling from a millionaire, out of touch rapper that hasn't worked a day at a real job since I was in diapers is going to change that. Why do people like you constantly assume that people like me a brainwashed  or a slave simply because I don't want any part of your bs 



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If you stretch the definition of "amazing speech" - like - really, really stretch it, then yes this was an amazing speech. That or you have never heard an amazing speech in your life. Or you don't know what amazing is. Or a speech.



All the “MAGA” maniacs who love Kanye West now probably don’t listen to his music at all. I’m a huge hip-hop fan but have never been a huge Kanye fan. But his verse on the new Nas album would probably piss off all the MAGA folks who now love him. When he’s addressing police shootings of black kids and a certain “fake news” channel that always makes excuses for the occurrences.

Ultimately though, blacks must remember that we are not beholden to Democrats. We don’t all have to vote liberal and all don’t have to be liberals. I don’t care if Kanye wants to vote Republican because he’s far from being the only black Republican (even though he seems to think he is). However, shitting on black folks and saying we have a “slave’s mentality” is what I take issue with. For some reason right-wing blacks always seem to have to demean liberal blacks to get their point across. Liberal blacks do this to conservative blacks as well (maybe more but not at such a level).

Finally, this seems to be one big attention grab for Kanye. He’s not moving in such a way that seems genuine. He’s hamming it up and being over the top which makes it seem like a performance. He almost seems like he wants it to be a joke but he doesn’t realize he’s the punchline.



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LurkerJ said:

100%.

 

lol. "Big Lyrical". They're less silly than the average rapper, but that doesn't make them big lyricals. This only enforces what I said, the standards for being great in that medium needs to be revised.

Nah, I just refuse to give him a pass because he represents a minority. Ironically, the roles have reversed and conservatives are hailing some gibberish because it's coming from Kanye

Phah, I don't give a shit about what Kanye has to say or says. He has never had my respect. I do respect him now though for speaking. 

Anyone, especially a black celebrity, standing up and standing behind Trump has got major balls. It takes zero effort to not say anything, or to go along with the rest of the media and hollywood and bash Trump. Doing the opposite is courage, imo, whether or not you like Trump or not. 

So Kanye now has my respect for standing up and doing something that he believes in in all the adversity that he is receivable and will receive. Do I give a shit in what he said or what his stance is? No. I've seen enough of him in the past, that he'd have to make a few more waves before I would start looking at his words. 

I can only agree, he's suicidal. It will be interesting to see how this will affect his career in the long run and if it will pave the way for closeted Trumpers in Hollywood to come out. 



FentonCrackshell said: 

Finally, this seems to be one big attention grab for Kanye. He’s not moving in such a way that seems genuine. He’s hamming it up and being over the top which makes it seem like a performance. He almost seems like he wants it to be a joke but he doesn’t realize he’s the punchline.



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Damn, the main stream left is some of the most racist people I have ever seen in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaQS5AXdcE



Snoopy said:
Damn, the main stream left is some of the most racist people I have ever seen in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaQS5AXdcE

Not too good at thinking are you? 2 talking heads does not constitute the "main stream left". Keep failing.

https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html



OhNoYouDont said:
Snoopy said:
Damn, the main stream left is some of the most racist people I have ever seen in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaQS5AXdcE

Not too good at thinking are you? 2 talking heads does not constitute the "main stream left". Keep failing.

https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

TYT claims a black guy is an uncle tom for disagreeing with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rx25U3_GIA

Did I win yet?



Snoopy said:
OhNoYouDont said:

Not too good at thinking are you? 2 talking heads does not constitute the "main stream left". Keep failing.

https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

TYT claims a black guy is an uncle tom for disagreeing with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rx25U3_GIA

Did I win yet?

OK, you're the 2nd person I've seen post how racist liberals are so I've decided to put my 2 cents in. It's like this. Liberals say racist sh!t sometimes. Most of the time they say it they think they're helping but they're not. From Joe Biden's "Obama is clean and articulate" to the numerous liberals I've had challenge my blackness because I don't always see racism where they see it nor do I think every black person should vote Democrat. But... BUT! How can you say "leftists are the most racist people I've ever seen" when there's Richard Spencer, Neo-Nazis, etc? Nearly every overtly racist organization aligns with the right. Spencer and his ilk sat in a room throwing up the Nazi salute and audible said "Heil Trump!"

Look, there are no leftist groups who fly rebel flags and Swastikas. None of the groups who do these things are "woke". Nope! They all align with the right. These folks will antagonize blacks, Hispanics, and other minority groups and yell "TRUMP!!!" as if to say that's why they're doing what they're doing. And no I don't think being conservative makes one racist. Nor do I think voting for Donald Trump makes one racist. But don't look at some guys on YouTube and think they're the sum of all things. Furthermore, as much as I dislike identity politics (although sometimes justified), it seems some folks will only condemn it when it's not coming from their team.

Here's a conversation I've had with the cousin of my ex-wife. He dislikes Colin Kaepernick because he says Kap engages in identity politics. I love Kap because I'm a Niners fan and he was good for us. But I don't think we're "oppressed" like he seems to think we are. However, I asked my buddy why he can condemn Kap's identity politics but never has a disparaging word for folks who call whites "supreme" or those who spew fear that America is browning. My buddy's answer was "I just ignore those people. They don't deserve my time." Hold on, so you can destroy a guy who thinks blacks are oppressed because you think he's full of crap, yet the other people you believe are full of crap don't get the same treatment? Why's that? It's because, in the end, the other guys play for the same team as you do. I liken it to how good cops don't snitch on bad cops. It's because, in the end, they're both still cops. But that's a story for another day. Anyway, feel free to disagree. I don't go apesh!t when I'm disagreed with because in my 36 years I've come to realize that no 2 people will agree everything. Unless the other person is who you see in the mirror. Peace!

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Kanye is a noodle brain, anyone liking this guy is high on carbs