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OhNoYouDont said:
Snoopy said:

TYT claims a black guy is an uncle tom for disagreeing with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rx25U3_GIA

Did I win yet?

The young turks are mainstream media? LOL, I rest my case. You certainly align perfectly with the link I posted.

I never said anything about the media, tyt has characteristics of the mainstream left. Being racist towards blacks when they don't get their way with them. Just like how the democratic party started the KKK. There are plenty of more examples. 



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RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Um..what is that supposed to mean?

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

Tell me more about your vast knowledge of hip-hop and its many sub genres, since you're so informed on the subject.



FentonCrackshell said: 
Snoopy said: 

TYT claims a black guy is an uncle tom for disagreeing with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rx25U3_GIA

Did I win yet?

OK, you're the 2nd person I've seen post how racist liberals are so I've decided to put my 2 cents in. It's like this. Liberals say racist sh!t sometimes. Most of the time they say it they think they're helping but they're not. From Joe Biden's "Obama is clean and articulate" to the numerous liberals I've had challenge my blackness because I don't always see racism where they see it nor do I think every black person should vote Democrat. But... BUT! How can you say "leftists are the most racist people I've ever seen" when there's Richard Spencer, Neo-Nazis, etc? Nearly every overtly racist organization aligns with the right. Spencer and his ilk sat in a room throwing up the Nazi salute and audible said "Heil Trump!"

Look, there are no leftist groups who fly rebel flags and Swastikas. None of the groups who do these things are "woke". Nope! They all align with the right. These folks will antagonize blacks, Hispanics, and other minority groups and yell "TRUMP!!!" as if to say that's why they're doing what they're doing. And no I don't think being conservative makes one racist. Nor do I think voting for Donald Trump makes one racist. But don't look at some guys on YouTube and think they're the sum of all things. Furthermore, as much as I dislike identity politics (although sometimes justified), it seems some folks will only condemn it when it's not coming from their team.

Here's a conversation I've had with the cousin of my ex-wife. He dislikes Colin Kaepernick because he says Kap engages in identity politics. I love Kap because I'm a Niners fan and he was good for us. But I don't think we're "oppressed" like he seems to think we are. However, I asked my buddy why he can condemn Kap's identity politics but never has a disparaging word for folks who call whites "supreme" or those who spew fear that America is browning. My buddy's answer was "I just ignore those people. They don't deserve my time." Hold on, so you can destroy a guy who thinks blacks are oppressed because you think he's full of crap, yet the other people you believe are full of crap don't get the same treatment? Why's that? It's because, in the end, the other guys play for the same team as you do. I liken it to how good cops don't snitch on bad cops. It's because, in the end, they're both still cops. But that's a story for another day. Anyway, feel free to disagree. I don't go apesh!t when I'm disagreed with because in my 36 years I've come to realize that no 2 people will agree everything. Unless the other person is who you see in the mirror. Peace!

 

Excellent post. As someone from Europe, I must say Americans confuse me. You also seem to have very skewed definitions of what a liberal and what a "Leftie" are. Liberalism is not a left-wing ideology. It predates the left-right divide. It is an Enlightenment movement.

 

And to whomever said that Hitler was a socialist....... wow. Ignorance reeks. Hitler was never a socialist. You need to define socialist, and understand how it differs from other isms, such as statism. Totalitarianism has many similar faces, but just because far left and right resemble each other they are not the same thing (ideologically, at least). Mussolini WAS a (false) socialist, or at least abused the ideas of socialism but he himself was not an ideologue. Hitler borrowed several ideas from Mussolini, but unlike Mussolini, was an ideologue. He wrote his ideas in a book called Mein Kampf, which if you had read you'd know there's nothing in it to support the claim that he was a "socialist".

 

Just to help, because ignorance sucks, here's an excerpt from Mein Kampf.

 

...The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet. 

If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men. 

Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement of her commands. 

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. [p. 60]

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But Hitler was a far left socialist - a mod told me so.



VAMatt said:
Most celebrities, like most regular people, just fall in line. They believe what the TV or the masses on FB tells them to believe. They have few original thoughts. Kanye doesn't seem to be one of those people. And, for that, he gets my respect.

Beyond that.... well, I disagree with him quite a bit, especially with regard to his support for Trump. At least he has some original thoughts for me to disagree with though.

This is very well said, I couldn't agree more.

Much of my fascination with Kanye at the moment (and even Trump to an extent despite being probably center left libertarian) is that he deviates from and defies the narrative. Kanye simply stands out with his own ideals, and the mere fact that 90% of people seem to be attacking it just makes you want to listen more closely out of sheer curiosity. I still think he's something of an egotist (like Trump) seeking attention, and jumping on board with GOP type stuff to me is nearly as foolish as jumping on board with the current DNC, but at least he's breaking the mold and coming up with new ideas. And he geniunly seems to want to help the poor and black communities in Chicago, which is more than I can say about the Dems or especially the snobby celebs and media lately..

Think about it, do people really give a crap about TI, or Snoop Dog, or Eminem, or the million other rap/pop artists or celebs are saying about Trump?Of course not, becaues they all say the same freaking things over and over and over again. It becomes old hat, boring, and stock after ahile, and people stop caring. The funny thing is these types think they're being edgy or revolutionary, when they're just another blip on the radar. They are the establishment.

It's KANYE that people are paying attention to. Not Michael Moore, Maddona, Amy Schumer, etc etc.. Kanye might be a little nuts, but he also might have shades of brilliance. He certainly knows what's garnering him publicity and attention right now.

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Mystro-Sama said:
RolStoppable said:

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

Tell me more about your vast knowledge of hip-hop and its many sub genres, since you're so informed on the subject.

I'd love to be privy to this knowledge as well, he and Lurker have made some pretty inflammatory, albeit empty claims about hip hop music/culture. 

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ironmanDX said:
I've heard a snippet of the speech and I have to say... I agree. He did make a well thought out and constructive speech.

Having said that, no more famous presidents America. Are you fucking stupid? Their used to saying whatever in front of cameras to get you to see their movie, buy their album or sell their endorsed products. They lie just as much as politicians and are trained to lie a lot of the time. Jesus.

Makes them perfect for the job doesn't it? Only instead of selling a product they will sell an ideology, which probably isn't even fully their own.



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OhNoYouDont said:
Snoopy said:
Damn, the main stream left is some of the most racist people I have ever seen in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhaQS5AXdcE

Not too good at thinking are you? 2 talking heads does not constitute the "main stream left". Keep failing.

https://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

Well it was a lot of talking heads being racist.

Lets be blunt, a black republican or right leaning is treated as a traitor among their people. Blacks with opposing views are essentially exiled.

If a white person has right leaning views, that person is a racist that hates women. Meanwhile a black is an Uncle Tom, a token negro, blah blah blah. Its the same talking points from the left every time.

Even if you can pull up examples of conservatives being unreasonable or gross, that doesn't change the fact mainstream left wing voices are disgusting. If people said these same things on Fox News they would generally be removed and the network would be attacked. Left wing media doesn't have to be tactful because they're the good guys thus above reproach.

 



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RolStoppable said:
FentonCrackshell said:

OK, you're the 2nd person I've seen post how racist liberals are so I've decided to put my 2 cents in. It's like this. Liberals say racist sh!t sometimes. Most of the time they say it they think they're helping but they're not. From Joe Biden's "Obama is clean and articulate" to the numerous liberals I've had challenge my blackness because I don't always see racism where they see it nor do I think every black person should vote Democrat. But... BUT! How can you say "leftists are the most racist people I've ever seen" when there's Richard Spencer, Neo-Nazis, etc? Nearly every overtly racist organization aligns with the right. Spencer and his ilk sat in a room throwing up the Nazi salute and audible said "Heil Trump!"

Look, there are no leftist groups who fly rebel flags and Swastikas. None of the groups who do these things are "woke". Nope! They all align with the right. These folks will antagonize blacks, Hispanics, and other minority groups and yell "TRUMP!!!" as if to say that's why they're doing what they're doing. And no I don't think being conservative makes one racist. Nor do I think voting for Donald Trump makes one racist. But don't look at some guys on YouTube and think they're the sum of all things. Furthermore, as much as I dislike identity politics (although sometimes justified), it seems some folks will only condemn it when it's not coming from their team.

Here's a conversation I've had with the cousin of my ex-wife. He dislikes Colin Kaepernick because he says Kap engages in identity politics. I love Kap because I'm a Niners fan and he was good for us. But I don't think we're "oppressed" like he seems to think we are. However, I asked my buddy why he can condemn Kap's identity politics but never has a disparaging word for folks who call whites "supreme" or those who spew fear that America is browning. My buddy's answer was "I just ignore those people. They don't deserve my time." Hold on, so you can destroy a guy who thinks blacks are oppressed because you think he's full of crap, yet the other people you believe are full of crap don't get the same treatment? Why's that? It's because, in the end, the other guys play for the same team as you do. I liken it to how good cops don't snitch on bad cops. It's because, in the end, they're both still cops. But that's a story for another day. Anyway, feel free to disagree. I don't go apesh!t when I'm disagreed with because in my 36 years I've come to realize that no 2 people will agree everything. Unless the other person is who you see in the mirror. Peace!

Um, Hitler was a socialist, therefore left. Heck, socialist is even in the name of Hitler's party NSDAP. Shouting "Trump" is merely a decoy by the racist left in order to make gullible people believe that the right side of the political spectrum is racist.

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My... my... my brain... it hurts so much.

OK, so all the Trump guys who do racist sh!t are merely liberals who want to make the right look bad? I guess all the idiot liberals are just conservatives who dumb sh!t disguised as liberals then? I get it, neither side has absolute idiots. They’re all just decoys from the other side who do what they do to make the other team look bad. I see now...



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