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An improved Switch is the most reasonable option.

Price wise, if the improved version is more expensive, then, by comparison, the Switch OG model would look cheaper. And with time, with lowering price you'd eventually reach another audience without the need to compromise your future.
An improved version would, in theory, allow for more multiplats and ports to arrive to the system.

A mini version that makes it a handheld is the same as rejecting what make the Switch a success, it would also make it seem like an inferior product. Why should people opt for a mini version when they can't get the best experience on the original Switch? The potential of a such a model would be limited by default.
Not to mention how certain games would be affected by the fact you wouldn't be able to detach the controllers.

One of the main reasons that made Wii U fail was poor comunication.
Having the communicate that you have two devices that do not work the same would sound messy and awkward. Not the best thing when you want to market multiple products.



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Asriel said:
I'd expect a model designed to bring the price down, but that might not mean any drastic changes - I don't think Nintendo will want to splinter the market and remove the modular nature of the Switch by, for example, releasing a 'handheld only' version. Manufacturing yields and nips and tucks in design could easily help them bring the shelf price down a little without making any radical changes to the device.

What interests me is that WSJ report that the hardware refresh is coming about because Nintendo are concerned about Switch's sales momentum. While a redesign was inevitable at some point, 2019 feels slightly too early to me - I thought 2020 was a lock, especially given major sellers like Mario Bros, Animal Crossing and Pokemon are already scheduled for 2019, and we've yet to see what Super Mario Party, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash Ultimate do for hardware sales. I think we'll have a much better indication of whether or not a redesign is coming by the end of the month, when Nintendo release Q2 numbers. If Switch shipments are down or flat on last year, then it's entirely possible Nintendo are concerned the system is losing momentum.

However, that would just show Nintendo are still all over the place in their thinking - Switch hasn't had a major system selling release for 12 months now. Are Nintendo seriously surprised they lost some momentum by leaning on ports, experimental software and middle-tier games for a year? Are they really going to schedule a hardware redesign without waiting to see how the next six months go? Switch could generate a huge amount of momentum over the next few months, especially if Mario Party and Bros sell strongly alongside Pokemon and Smash. Maybe this redesign is part of the plan to get multiple Switch systems in each household, but if it's a reaction to slowing sales, then I'd be a bit concerned, because it suggests Nintendo still don't understand that they need to release their major titles consistently and evenly throughout the year to maintain a strong baseline.

Let's see what happens at the Q2 results, anyway.

I would love to see source of that claim that Nintendo is losing momentum, that's definitely taken out of context. 

Nintendo is releasing revision because Switch is loosing momentum but simple because they always had handheld revisions around 2 yeas after launch (and Switch is esantualy handheld hardware), and most likly to offer lower price point in order to have much bigger appealing on market among families, kids and casuals, because Switch still has only one higher price point for that market, especially when 3DS that actually covers that price point is dying.



DélioPT said:

Why should people opt for a mini version when they can't get the best experience on the original Switch? The potential of a such a model would be limited by default.

You do realise you dont make any sense again!? Buy your point Pro and X would need to be best selling option of PS4/XB1 because they offer best experience for PS4/XB1. Low price option has much higher potential for sales than higher price option, with lower price option Switch will be much more popular among kids, families and casuals that actualy one of most impoartant part of market. There is reason why Nintendo released very low price option for 3DS in form of 2DS, 2DS is selling very well.



Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

Why should people opt for a mini version when they can't get the best experience on the original Switch? The potential of a such a model would be limited by default.

You do realise you dont make any sense again!? Buy your point Pro and X would need to be best selling option of PS4/XB1 because they offer best experience for PS4/XB1. Low price option has much higher potential for sales than higher price option, with lower price option Switch will be much more popular among kids, families and casuals that actualy one of most impoartant part of market. There is reason why Nintendo released very low price option for 3DS in form of 2DS, 2DS is selling very well.

You are comparing models who improve graphics vs a model that goes against the Switch strategy. 
Not to mention that, to take real advantage of the small increase you'd have to have a 4K TV. Another, not so cheap, extra cost.

In your words, you are comparing a core experience improvement vs a non-core experience.
Can you get how both can't really be compared? 

"Low price option has much higher potential for sales"
In theory.
GC's 99$ didn't cause a sales burst, did it?
Switch already has enough elements to make it appealing at 300. Lowering the price wouldn't necessarily make sales explode.

"with lower price option Switch will be much more popular among kids, families and casuals that actualy one of most impoartant part of market"
Lower price point can be achieved without the Mini model.
PS3, XB360, PS4, at least, showed that you don't need to lower the price that much or that you need to go after the kids market to sell 80+ million consoles. And Nintendo is now in this market too.

You don't need to directly address the kids market to actually sell to it.
Kids look up to older kids and follow trends. If you sell to the older kids you'll eventually reach the younger demograhics. 

"There is reason why Nintendo released very low price option for 3DS in form of 2DS"
How many times has Nintendo offered a model that could be deemed inferior to the original versus the number of revisions that could be deemed superior to the original version?
2DS is the exception, not the rule.
And let's not forget that if 3D has been relevant and had not caused a backlash at the time, you probably wouldn't have gotten a 2DS.
Also, an investment in 2DS, in the form of 2DS XL, was - and probably is - the last revision ever for 3DS. Before that, you had Nintendo betting on evolving the regular 3DS.

What you are basically asking is for Nintendo to simply overlook the success they had with it's current market and the weight of the Switch (hybrid concept) and just do a U turn and go back to their old ways (kids, families).
It just doesn't make sense: this new Nintendo is where they should put their money and time on - now that they are being successful.
The other market can come later. There's no rush and it would even be sending the wrong message to it's current market!



DélioPT said:
Miyamotoo said:

You do realise you dont make any sense again!? Buy your point Pro and X would need to be best selling option of PS4/XB1 because they offer best experience for PS4/XB1. Low price option has much higher potential for sales than higher price option, with lower price option Switch will be much more popular among kids, families and casuals that actualy one of most impoartant part of market. There is reason why Nintendo released very low price option for 3DS in form of 2DS, 2DS is selling very well.

You are comparing models who improve graphics vs a model that goes against the Switch strategy. 
Not to mention that, to take real advantage of the small increase you'd have to have a 4K TV. Another, not so cheap, extra cost.

In your words, you are comparing a core experience improvement vs a non-core experience.
Can you get how both can't really be compared? 

 

"Low price option has much higher potential for sales"
In theory.
GC's 99$ didn't cause a sales burst, did it?
Switch already has enough elements to make it appealing at 300. Lowering the price wouldn't necessarily make sales explode.

"with lower price option Switch will be much more popular among kids, families and casuals that actualy one of most impoartant part of market"
Lower price point can be achieved without the Mini model.
PS3, XB360, PS4, at least, showed that you don't need to lower the price that much or that you need to go after the kids market to sell 80+ million consoles. And Nintendo is now in this market too.

 

You don't need to directly address the kids market to actually sell to it.
Kids look up to older kids and follow trends. If you sell to the older kids you'll eventually reach the younger demograhics. 

"There is reason why Nintendo released very low price option for 3DS in form of 2DS"
How many times has Nintendo offered a model that could be deemed inferior to the original versus the number of revisions that could be deemed superior to the original version?
2DS is the exception, not the rule.
And let's not forget that if 3D has been relevant and had not caused a backlash at the time, you probably wouldn't have gotten a 2DS.
Also, an investment in 2DS, in the form of 2DS XL, was - and probably is - the last revision ever for 3DS. Before that, you had Nintendo betting on evolving the regular 3DS.

What you are basically asking is for Nintendo to simply overlook the success they had with it's current market and the weight of the Switch (hybrid concept) and just do a U turn and go back to their old ways (kids, families).
It just doesn't make sense: this new Nintendo is where they should put their money and time on - now that they are being successful.
The other market can come later. There's no rush and it would even be sending the wrong message to it's current market!

I don't comparing anything, you wrote "why should people opt for a mini version when they can't get the best experience on the original Switch? The potential of a such a model would be limited by default", I simple gave you example of another best experience.

How GC can be in that comparison when we had only one version of GC!? Again you dont make any sense, I will not even read rest of your post or even try to answer.



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Another example of why you shouldn't only look at price without factoring in value: Wii U Basic vs. Deluxe. The system didn't sell much yeah, but of what it did sell while the Basic was on shelves, the majority was the Deluxe model despite being $50 more expensive. The Basic model was discontinued in just a year.

Going back to the 2DS, I remember hearing that the more expensive models sold better, but I can't find a source for this. However we still have the ultimate source, sales! Looking at the effect it had on overall sales, it barely did anything. 2013 when the 2DS launched was the system's best year, but not by much. 14m compared to 12.5m in 2011 and 13.5m in 2012. Next year 2014 sales dropped to 8.5m.



Miyamotoo said:
Asriel said:
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Let's see what happens at the Q2 results, anyway.

I would love to see source of that claim that Nintendo is losing momentum, that's definitely taken out of context. 

Nintendo is releasing revision because Switch is loosing momentum but simple because they always had handheld revisions around 2 yeas after launch (and Switch is esantualy handheld hardware), and most likly to offer lower price point in order to have much bigger appealing on market among families, kids and casuals, because Switch still has only one higher price point for that market, especially when 3DS that actually covers that price point is dying.

You've misunderstood my post: I wasn't claiming Switch is definitely losing momentum, but rather the Wall Street Journal report states that's the reasoning behind this supposed hardware redesign. See this USGamer article for a clearer indication of what Wall Street Journal say in their original report, which is behind a paywall. 

If you read my post properly, you'll see I pointed out that a hardware refresh was only a matter time. I speculate that if Switch has lost momentum, that's likely down to this year's software line-up more than it is any hardware issue. I point out that Nintendo's major 2019 titles are yet to launch, and, importantly, that I think we should wait until Nintendo's second quarter results later this month before stating whether or not the system has lost momentum. 



Lonely_Dolphin said:
Another example of why you shouldn't only look at price without factoring in value: Wii U Basic vs. Deluxe. The system didn't sell much yeah, but of what it did sell while the Basic was on shelves, the majority was the Deluxe model despite being $50 more expensive. The Basic model was discontinued in just a year.

Going back to the 2DS, I remember hearing that the more expensive models sold better, but I can't find a source for this. However we still have the ultimate source, sales! Looking at the effect it had on overall sales, it barely did anything. 2013 when the 2DS launched was the system's best year, but not by much. 14m compared to 12.5m in 2011 and 13.5m in 2012. Next year 2014 sales dropped to 8.5m.

Offcourse, there is point of value also, and Deluxe was much better value than Basic model, compared to Basic model Deluxe model offerd much more equipment, much more internal memory (Basic had like 2GB memory available to consumers), and game, so all that for just a $50 more was much better value. But thats quite difrent story compared to current Switch story, best comparison with current Switch and Switch Mini/Pocket would be comparison with 3DS and 2DS.

2DS penetreed 3DS into kids, familes, casual market, only after 2DS some people start buying multiply 3DS consoles for home esapcily after 2DS price cut, for instance buying 2DS for each of their kid. 2DS didn't need to sell better than 3DS XL for instance, but it was aiming at different demography on market compared to 3DS XL, so point is to offer different price point for different type of revisions that aiming at difrent parts of market. You can bet that without 2DS, sales would be much worse than they are.



Asriel said:
Miyamotoo said:

I would love to see source of that claim that Nintendo is losing momentum, that's definitely taken out of context. 

Nintendo is releasing revision because Switch is loosing momentum but simple because they always had handheld revisions around 2 yeas after launch (and Switch is esantualy handheld hardware), and most likly to offer lower price point in order to have much bigger appealing on market among families, kids and casuals, because Switch still has only one higher price point for that market, especially when 3DS that actually covers that price point is dying.

You've misunderstood my post: I wasn't claiming Switch is definitely losing momentum, but rather the Wall Street Journal report states that's the reasoning behind this supposed hardware redesign. See this USGamer article for a clearer indication of what Wall Street Journal say in their original report, which is behind a paywall. 

If you read my post properly, you'll see I pointed out that a hardware refresh was only a matter time. I speculate that if Switch has lost momentum, that's likely down to this year's software line-up more than it is any hardware issue. I point out that Nintendo's major 2019 titles are yet to launch, and, importantly, that I think we should wait until Nintendo's second quarter results later this month before stating whether or not the system has lost momentum. 

I understanded you, but they are wrong, for instance "While not failing, the Switch is certainly not selling as much as in its first year when the Switch first became available in March 2017", is clearly wrong, Switch until now was selling very similar compared to last in same time period, and like you wrote this Holiday season will destroy last years.



Given what the released information is, this hardly qualifies as news. I mean, virtually everyone could guess vague details and a wide timeframe for launch.



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