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RolStoppable said:
Replicant said:


And it would certainly help if a certain "superpower" would mind to ease a little on the bombings. One would almost believe that this "superpower" intended to cripple Europe and the countries of the refugees.

Since such arguments and theories are about the USA and Russia alike, you have to be more specific.

why not both?

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And Ghandi said Europe should roll over and let itself be conquered by the Nazis. No one is perfect, and no one is right 100% of the time, especially when dealing with the politics and relations of other countries..

I mean, he isn't wrong, but it's kinda hard to develop a nation when it gets bombed to ashes all the time, don't you think? It's like trying to build a sandcastle in the middle of a hurricane. You can try, but it won't work out too well.

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Far right wing politicians are effectively campaigning on kicking out refugees with slogans like "Send them back", "They took our Jobs", "Build that Wall" and "Stop the Boats". Far right politicians scapegoat and create fear uncertainty and doubt.

To be fair the man has a point, a country suffers from a huge braindrain if a big part of the population leave and doesn't come back, because they build up a live elsewhere. Suriname for instant did suffer when a large part of its population emigratie to NL.  Suriname was still part of NL that time, but the same counts for refugees.

Take any random country which have suffered a major war. Countries don't rebuild themselves it requires knowledge, lots of work and a shit ton of money. Now while I agree the US and Europe should pay their fair share for that since they usually blow said country to pieces. Since they love interfering in conflicts they should not. Said that from the start in Syria, but look at what happened the country is blown to pieces and the next IS has a new birthplace.

It doesn't however mean that Europe and the US should rebuild all the countries which suffered a major war. In the end a country should rebuild and restructured by its people otherwise Europe and US are basically making vassal state or even worse new colonies and we or at least I would not want that.

On the other hand western Europe is pretty much a US vassal state since 1946 when US paid for rebuilding western Europe because of the Russian thread. The EU support all US war efforts without a doubt or asking many question. Refugees should go back when its save not for the sake of themselves or for the sake of US and EU, but for the sake of the country and the people that remained so they can rebuild the country. 

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Pyro as Bill said:
Replicant said:

Yeah... So let's not forget that e.g. USA and Russia have zero interest in ending warfare (it prints money).

If only that were true longterm.

Since when have USA and Russia been thinking long term?

John2290 said:
fauzman said:

I have to say that I find this kind of thinking to be the kind of bullshit that people with prejudices and trump-ites would say. As Dulfite has said, realistically speaking these people are likely those who have suffered huge traumas, especially children and returning back to country of origin is not a possibility. It is possible for them to get work and support their countries (I am sure a number of refugees that do well and get work probably do send money home). Also I dont know where you are getting your ideas  of refugees staying on welfare and committing crimes comes from.

From what I understand and have herad, here in New Zealand, it is considered that refugees generally work harder, are more willing to take lower paying jobs and contribute more to their new countries (I have tried to find literature to support this but havent so far). I am sure that is the case also where you are from. 


Economic migrants work harder yes, this is not the case with the refugees in Europe, it is quite the opposite, it brings crime, Muslims bring racism to other minorities especially black people, it impacts the economy negatively, the tac payer pays for people t o beg on the streets all day and harrass citizens for money and there is a massive, massive culture clash among more serious crime like rape and murder and unprovoked attacks. This isn't mexicans adding to the US economy or Polish spreading out to return money to their country to rebuild. I've seen the latter here in Ireland and it was successful for both Irish and Polish people, same goes for African and Asian immigrants aroubd the same time and later, they work hard at jobs that pay shit and add to the economy while sending money back to their own economy. The current refugee crisis which, In ireland is a small microcosm and a hint of the troubles compared to continental Europe is a far cry from the benefits of economic migrants. The media will have you belive immigrants, migrants and refugees are the one and the same. They are not. 

That said, not all refugees have caused these problems, we took in an influx of Burmese refugee in 2007, some placed in my town and one family as our next door neighbours. They didn't speak a lick of English and it was extremely hard to communicate, they all slept on the floor in the living room of a fully furnished 5 bedroom house as they didn't understand among other cultural issues by 2009 they all spoke some english and upon meeting some of them again in 2012, as my Niece had made friends with one of the young lads, they were all fluent in English as far as i could see and the family of 8 as well as the extended family around the town had made something of  themselves. They came from the most war torn countries where they were forced to eat dogs and rodents to survive and were litterally skin and bone in 2008 with visible PTSD and as far as I know they are more Irish now, than I am. 

This does not happen with current refugees nor is there any effort on the current middle eastern refugees part, many which i'd imagine are coming for the welfare and not fleeing war, obviously many are but from what I can see the majority are opportunists.

This is why i think the Dalai Lamas words are wise here and I would hope they will listen if media stop shouting racism. It would benifet everyone, the refugees and the migrants among them as well as Europeans if they would work towards rebuilding to return home or at the very least work to build a home here. 

Where is your proof that this is the rule rather than the exception? Yes before you say so I have heard about the issues in Germany and other european countries from the refugees that have come in. But as with any subset and any migrants, I expect that to be the 1% who are doing really really stupid things and need to be jailed/prosecuted as with any other criminals. I am sure the majority would be hard working people who would be working hard and working to assimilate rather than trouble makers. 

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Oh boy feelings will be hurt

The Dalai Lama should go back to Tibet and deal with the Chinese govt. Take his own advice.

Thechalkblock said:
RolStoppable said:

Since such arguments and theories are about the USA and Russia alike, you have to be more specific.

why not both?

They both don't like Europe currently so crippeling Europe is in both their interest in a way. US needs to win a trade war and Russia and Europe simply don't like eachother anymore since the EU practically stole many former Russian allies. 

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