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Most likely, they'll want to release a remaster of the game.



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routsounmanman said:
Some people argue that that might be due to them having issues due to copyrights for "Eyes On Me". Shame though, it is my favourite of the 3D FF games, after IX.

 

siebensus4 said:
It's my favourite, too! I think there are legal issues with the title track "Eyes on me". That should be the reason why a mobile port doesn't exist either.

What I don't understand: this song was composed by Uematsu, but was obviously first released on Faye Wong's album. Strange.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/77000060

 

Wyrdness said:
darkknightkryta said:
It's actually possible they don't have the source code anymore. Not sure what they used for FF VII ports; If they're using the PSX version converted to PS4/Steam or if they hacked the PC version to run on steam and made a fresh copy for PS4 from the PSX version. If they're using the PC version as the base for FFVII, then I'm sure they don't have the source code for FFVIII cause they're hacking the PC version to run on Steam. Not sure if the PSX code exists still or not.

Steam version is an adjusted version of the PC version so they still have the source code it's very likely just down to the copyright issue as VIII is the only FF to not even be remastered in anyway.

The game released on Steam in 2013 with “Eyes on Me” intact, based on the original PC version. And the game is still sold on the PS3 PSN store, etc.

The idea that it’s a copyright issue seems like a baseless kneejerk reaction to trying to figure out why FF8 hasn't been Remastered yet, rather than Square Enix simply not getting to that one yet. When licenses expire, games get pulled from the stores. Regardless of whether they are the original versions or remasters. Capcom for example were not allowed to sell Marvel vs Capcom 3 in any online store once their license expired, so it was removed from all stores.

I did not think it was strange for FF8 to not get a Remastered version yet because there hasn’t been a consistent pattern to the order in which Square chose to remaster/remake their games. Not even among the Final Fantasy series. And that's not accounting for games like Secret of Mana and Last Remnant.
For the mainline Final Fantasy games, I believe the order was something like: Final Fantasy IV (it was remade twice. Once in 3D and once in 2D)> Final Fantasy III > Final Fantasy VII > Final Fantasy V > Final Fantasy X/X-2 > Final Fantasy IX > Final Fantasy XII.

Final Fantasy 9 and 12 just got an HD release/remaster last year. It's a bit too soon to conclude that they're actively avoiding FF8. If one of the mainline 3D Final Fantasy games had to be left for last, I would have presumed it to be FF8 anyway. In spite of it being my favorite FF game, it seemed to be the most polarizing FF game, along with Final Fantasy 13.

As for whether or not they have the source code for the game, they can publish a game based on just the ROM, so I'm not sure. Though I hear they usually don’t have the source code for older games. However, that didn't stop them from giving Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 9 the HD treatment, so whatever they did for those games should be possible for FF8 as well. Even if it’s reverse engineering a ROM of the game like they did with Kingdom Hearts.

Last edited by Hiku - on 14 September 2018

Hiku said:
routsounmanman said:
Some people argue that that might be due to them having issues due to copyrights for "Eyes On Me". Shame though, it is my favourite of the 3D FF games, after IX.

 

siebensus4 said:
It's my favourite, too! I think there are legal issues with the title track "Eyes on me". That should be the reason why a mobile port doesn't exist either.

What I don't understand: this song was composed by Uematsu, but was obviously first released on Faye Wong's album. Strange.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/77000060

 

Wyrdness said:

Steam version is an adjusted version of the PC version so they still have the source code it's very likely just down to the copyright issue as VIII is the only FF to not even be remastered in anyway.

The game released on Steam in 2013 with “Eyes on Me” intact, based on the original PC version. And the game is still sold on the PS3 PSN store, etc.

The idea that it’s a copyright issue seems baseless. When liscenses expire, games get pulled from the stores. Regardless of whether they are the original versions or remasters. Capcom for ex were not allowed to even sell the original Marvel vs Capcom 3 in any online store once their liscense expired, so it was removed from all stores.

I did not think it was strange for FF8 to not get a Remastered version yet because there hasn’t been a consistent pattern with which game Square chose to remaster/remake. But they have been releasing them fairly consistently, even if the order of which games they’ve remasterd have been somewhat jumbled. It’s not yet clear to me that they’ve been avoiding FFVIII, but it’s getting close to that point now, as FF9 got an HD release last year, and FF12 got an HD Remaster this year.

As for whether or not they have the source code for the game, I’m not sure. But I hear they usually don’t for older games. And you can re-release them based on just the ROM. But whatever they did to give FF9 the HD treatment, they should be able to do with FF8. Even if it’s reverse engineering a ROM of the game like they did with Kingdom Hearts.

The steam version is essentially the same version with some adjustments on the same platform PC, the PSN versions are redistributed emulated PS1 titles these aren't new ports on new platforms they're repackaging of the same initial release, this is the debate on the legal issue because the copyright belongs to another entity possibly EMI, the agreement they had for the song may allow the initial release to be redistributed but in order to do other versions they'd likely have to renegotiate with the copyright owners and the owners likely would want a good chunk of the pie.



twintail said:
ZODIARKrebirth said:

FFVII, FFIX, FFX,...what's the reason of Square Enix to not include FFVIII? were there any statements from SE about the reason? i find it a little strange, for me it's still one of the best games...

 

its not available on mobile, steam or PS4.  So it hasnt even been ported yet. Maybe at PSX we get the port announcement. 

maybe, or they have even some bigger plans for this game, i can dream...😉



ZODIARKrebirth said:
twintail said:

its not available on mobile, steam or PS4.  So it hasnt even been ported yet. Maybe at PSX we get the port announcement. 

maybe, or they have even some bigger plans for this game, i can dream...😉

Hey now, I'm totally down for that



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darkknightkryta said:
It's actually possible they don't have the source code anymore. Not sure what they used for FF VII ports; If they're using the PSX version converted to PS4/Steam or if they hacked the PC version to run on steam and made a fresh copy for PS4 from the PSX version. If they're using the PC version as the base for FFVII, then I'm sure they don't have the source code for FFVIII cause they're hacking the PC version to run on Steam. Not sure if the PSX code exists still or not.

Huh? Why on earth would they not have the source code of their own game anymore?



Wyrdness said:
Hiku said:

 

 

The game released on Steam in 2013 with “Eyes on Me” intact, based on the original PC version. And the game is still sold on the PS3 PSN store, etc.

The idea that it’s a copyright issue seems baseless. When liscenses expire, games get pulled from the stores. Regardless of whether they are the original versions or remasters. Capcom for ex were not allowed to even sell the original Marvel vs Capcom 3 in any online store once their liscense expired, so it was removed from all stores.

I did not think it was strange for FF8 to not get a Remastered version yet because there hasn’t been a consistent pattern with which game Square chose to remaster/remake. But they have been releasing them fairly consistently, even if the order of which games they’ve remasterd have been somewhat jumbled. It’s not yet clear to me that they’ve been avoiding FFVIII, but it’s getting close to that point now, as FF9 got an HD release last year, and FF12 got an HD Remaster this year.

As for whether or not they have the source code for the game, I’m not sure. But I hear they usually don’t for older games. And you can re-release them based on just the ROM. But whatever they did to give FF9 the HD treatment, they should be able to do with FF8. Even if it’s reverse engineering a ROM of the game like they did with Kingdom Hearts.

The steam version is essentially the same version with some adjustments on the same platform PC, the PSN versions are redistributed emulated PS1 titles these aren't new ports on new platforms they're repackaging of the same initial release, this is the debate on the legal issue because the copyright belongs to another entity possibly EMI, the agreement they had for the song may allow the initial release to be redistributed but in order to do other versions they'd likely have to renegotiate with the copyright owners and the owners likely would want a good chunk of the pie.

Yeah. Though I'm not sure some of those adjustment that were made to the Steam version of Final Fantasy VIII, such as higher native resolution, and "Magic Booster", which allows you to alter your character's inventory of certain spells (rather than dealing with the Draw function), wouldn't qualify it as a port in a similar manner.



But that's debatable. The PS4 versions of FF7 and FF9 certainly did more. I'm not sure where the line is drawn. Either way, there are known examples of original releases of games that have been pulled from all stores due to licenses expiring. While it may be possible that the license for a particular song would never expire for the original version of the game, but would for a version that changes something specific about the game, I don't know if we have any prior examples of that, or any particular reason to think that is the case here over the idea that they just didn't get to FF8 yet as they're not doing these in any particular order. Nor has there been a long hiatus since the last one.

I think some more time needs to pass before it would seem like there's some problem with FF8.
Though they could have surely released the game on console with just higher resolution if they wanted to, since Steam was allowed to have that improvement over the original PC version. The fact that they haven't may suggest they want to do a bit more than that.
Or maybe they just didn't get to FF8 yet on their list of priorities.

Last edited by Hiku - on 15 September 2018

Soundwave said:
FF8 is not on iOS/Android/XBox or even PS4 either I don't think. They're likely bringing it out next year but want to announce it next year because 2019 is the 20th anniversary of Final Fantasy VIII. It's most likely coming, I wouldn't sweat it.

The anniversary idea makes sense to me.



twintail said:
ZODIARKrebirth said:

maybe, or they have even some bigger plans for this game, i can dream...😉

Hey now, I'm totally down for that

let's see, maybe SE has still some surprise for tgs



shrugs, maybe later, idk. i would buy.