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Errorist76 said:
If they’re most likely forced to sell the system at a loss anyway they might just lend it right away. I still think for that the monthly cost is a bit too high to be feasible.

You must not be doing the math.

$22-$35 a month is not a lot of money for the average person. We're talking about getting the console and access to many games (day one 1st party games included), that's a pretty good deal.

Also, the subscription services being lumped in means they're making a profit on the subscription services. That covers any losses on the hardware.

Shame they didn't throw in EA Access. That's a bargain at $30 a year.



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That's cheap if you do the numbers and it's a great pricing model, but you have to wonder how they can sustain such cheap offers. They're really trying to entice people to xbox hard, this along with all first party titles being on gamepass, surely their profits are plummeting. The value of Gold has also plummeted, hell Amazon.co.uk are currently selling 6 months of gold for £15...

Microsoft have to be careful that they're not devaluing they're own products too much.

But it's a great deal for consumers.



There have been talks about subsiding consoles through contracts of the services since Gold launched, will this be the time it takes off?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

So the plan is to make consoles like a phone then?
You will get a Xbox bill monthly that shows stuff like:
Xbox One X $15
Xbox Live $10
All Access $10
Total $35

Or something like that. Probably other hidden fees like taxes and what not. People seem ot love paying monthly for new phones all the time.

 

Be tempting come a new gen. Day 1 you buy a PS5 with zero games for $400.00 or you buy an Xbox 4 for $35 and it lets you play every game.



irstupid said:

So the plan is to make consoles like a phone then?
You will get a Xbox bill monthly that shows stuff like:
Xbox One X $15
Xbox Live $10
All Access $10
Total $35

Or something like that. Probably other hidden fees like taxes and what not. People seem ot love paying monthly for new phones all the time.

 

Be tempting come a new gen. Day 1 you buy a PS5 with zero games for $400.00 or you buy an Xbox 4 for $35 and it lets you play every game.

People doesn't know how to calculate interest and total cost. They only see if the monthly fee is low enough for him to pay. For me they all deserve to pay more and give more profits for companies... And that shall make sales of Xbox much better if it's goodly implemented.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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chakkra said:

*Customers will be able to pay around $22 per month and net themselves an Xbox One S, Xbox Live, and Xbox Game Pass for two years. Around $35 will net them an Xbox One X.

It will be interesting to see how much this affects the Xbox family sales. 

I think it will help it to keep sales up YoY, not only this year but next year as well.

How? If anything it will slow down sales and up the rents. Not that it matters when we don’t get any sales numbers anyway.



irstupid said:

So the plan is to make consoles like a phone then?
You will get a Xbox bill monthly that shows stuff like:
Xbox One X $15
Xbox Live $10
All Access $10
Total $35

Or something like that. Probably other hidden fees like taxes and what not. People seem ot love paying monthly for new phones all the time.

 

Be tempting come a new gen. Day 1 you buy a PS5 with zero games for $400.00 or you buy an Xbox 4 for $35 and it lets you play every game.

Don’t pretend it’s much different to buying it on a monthly credit. 



Mr Puggsly said:
Errorist76 said:
If they’re most likely forced to sell the system at a loss anyway they might just lend it right away. I still think for that the monthly cost is a bit too high to be feasible.

You must not be doing the math.

$22-$35 a month is not a lot of money for the average person. We're talking about getting the console and access to many games (day one 1st party games included), that's a pretty good deal.

Also, the subscription services being lumped in means they're making a profit on the subscription services. That covers any losses on the hardware.

 

If you do the math it’s not that much of a deal and it’s not much different from a finance deal. 

 

Bofferbrauer2 said: 

For those who don't want to take out their calculators, it's 528$ total for the ONE S + XBL + GamePass, and 840$ for an ONE X + XBL + GamePass.

In other words, buying them separately seems a better deal to me, especially for the ONE X or when there's some discount.

They’re selling the X1S for 200,- sometimes and it will only get cheaper. It’s clever marketing...Bauernfängerei we call that in German. 



Errorist76 said:
irstupid said:

So the plan is to make consoles like a phone then?
You will get a Xbox bill monthly that shows stuff like:
Xbox One X $15
Xbox Live $10
All Access $10
Total $35

Or something like that. Probably other hidden fees like taxes and what not. People seem ot love paying monthly for new phones all the time.

 

Be tempting come a new gen. Day 1 you buy a PS5 with zero games for $400.00 or you buy an Xbox 4 for $35 and it lets you play every game.

Don’t pretend it’s much different to buying it on a monthly credit. 

For this type of thing when talking about customer it doesn't matter what it is, but that is perceived as. Cellphone customers love it, and if the same happens to console owners then MS may have a good headstart.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

This is another way of doing business.
It's a lot easier on the wallet - and eyes - to pay 35$ a month than 400 to 500$ for a console with a game or two.

Actually, this reminds me of a time where the representative of Nintendo, during the GC era, decided to sell a pack of 4 games and offer the console.
So yeah, it's a bit of how people accept this kinda model and marketing, too.

It's tough for MS to compete in prices with Sony, but this kind of practice does seem to change things in MS's favour.