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LudicrousSpeed said:
crissindahouse said:

 

Well, seems like it's always the same three or so guys who post their 1-2 liners in these threads just to downplay everything MS does and how it won't help to get back on track and how they lost their war against Sony (don't see Nintendo guys so much in these threads).

I can't take some users serious anymore, that's for sure. At least I can't believe that someone thinks MS really wants to catch up in sales with such a small decision so that the only other option is “I just have to post something negative even if it doesn't make any sense“

MS just tries to make more money like every company does. They obviously know that this won't sell them millions of consoles more.

Good, don’t take them serious. Laugh and move on, they’re petty.

This is a good move for MS.

However, you also have the same MS fans, defending everything MS does. Power was irrelevant, first party was irrelevant, Japanese games were irrelevant, until MS supported these gaming mediums, and their fans flip flopped on the topic. Sony fans did this too, but many of them also criticized Sony, instead of turning a blind eye to their short comings. Only if we could dig up old threads... 



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I thought the plan was alway to include a console. The rumor also included a plan for an X1X or base console and it would be 2 years between 20 and 30 bones a month. This could be a pretty good plan as the upfront cost is pushed out, you get 100+ games to play not including XBL live stuff and MP.



hunter_alien said:

In all fairness VGC is mostly about UNIT sales, and not generated revenue tracking. Unit sales can be considered a pretty decent metric and same goes for revenue/active user numbers as well. The best is to combine these and try to see the whole picture.

Not taking into account unit sales will result in just as skewed overall market understanding as the one you are complaining about.

OT: it was expected and it seems to be the natural direction that MS takes as of late. They want to offer the services as a one-size-fits-all aproach. Luckily, it seems that as of next gen they will be able to sweeten the deal with some good exclusives as well.

I come to VGChartz for gaming news and curious for gaming figures, however lets be honest here, these so called figures that some come here for turn what is suppose to be a meaningless stat and turn it into a major flaw with a product and do nothing but downplay products that are not number one on the sales charts. I look at the industry as a whole, I never cared the PS3 was the least selling system for most of last gen, I never cared the WiiU was the least selling console this gen and I surely don't care the X1 is the least selling console now. 

I know how businesses are run and some need to move past basic barbaric sales numbers and need to start looking at the bigger picture. Its all about the money and this gen money is sourced from many types or avenues not just physical hardware sales like in the past.

As for these services, this is where MS see the money, not how many consoles they sell. In fact its these type of services like GamePass and Play Anywhere that diminish there very own physical game sales and it seems that doesn't bother MS at all, so its clear that MS (A company that knows how to make money) are heading in this direction. Weather its successful next gen will wait and see, as for this gen it seems to be working for them.



Azzanation said:

hunter_alien said:

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I come to VGChartz for gaming news and curious for gaming figures, however lets be honest here, these so called figures that some come here for turn what is suppose to be a meaningless stat and turn it into a major flaw with a product and do nothing but downplay products that are not number one on the sales charts. I look at the industry as a whole, I never cared the PS3 was the least selling system for most of last gen, I never cared the WiiU was the least selling console this gen and I surely don't care the X1 is the least selling console now. 

I know how businesses are run and some need to move past basic barbaric sales numbers and need to start looking at the bigger picture. Its all about the money and this gen money is sourced from many types or avenues not just physical hardware sales like in the past.

The money made and the sales numbers earned matter. You're lying to yourself if you deny that. Can't tout your Business 101 card and have that viewpoint. 

Bottom line, this is a sales site (on its own, might I add - no other site attempts to do what VGChartz does). Those who work hard to bring the numbers do so with as much diligence and accuracy as they can. Sometimes, they miss the mark, but that's okay. They adjust when/where appropriate.

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CGI-Quality said:The money made and the sales numbers earned matter. You're lying to yourself if you deny that. Can't tout your Business 101 card and have that viewpoint. 

Bottom line, this is a sales site (on its own, might I add - no other site attempts to do what VGChartz does). Those who work hard to bring the numbers do so with as much diligence and accuracy as they can. Sometimes, they miss the mark, but that's okay. They adjust when/where appropriate.

I respect this site and the work going in, I never said sales don't matter, I come here for figures and news. I am pointing out those who just use sales to downplay other products. Money is money and the business is changing. Its good to know the base of a systems sales but lets keep in mind that digital is a thing, gaming services like Netflix is a thing, companies are starting to not announce hardware sales is a thing, games are becoming Play Anywhere titles is a thing, Streaming is becoming a thing. We need to start looking at the whole picture and not just "This product sucks because it hasn't outsold its direct competitor" nonsense.



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Azzanation said:

hunter_alien said:

In all fairness VGC is mostly about UNIT sales, and not generated revenue tracking. Unit sales can be considered a pretty decent metric and same goes for revenue/active user numbers as well. The best is to combine these and try to see the whole picture.

Not taking into account unit sales will result in just as skewed overall market understanding as the one you are complaining about.

OT: it was expected and it seems to be the natural direction that MS takes as of late. They want to offer the services as a one-size-fits-all aproach. Luckily, it seems that as of next gen they will be able to sweeten the deal with some good exclusives as well.

I come to VGChartz for gaming news and curious for gaming figures, however lets be honest here, these so called figures that some come here for turn what is suppose to be a meaningless stat and turn it into a major flaw with a product and do nothing but downplay products that are not number one on the sales charts. I look at the industry as a whole, I never cared the PS3 was the least selling system for most of last gen, I never cared the WiiU was the least selling console this gen and I surely don't care the X1 is the least selling console now. 

I know how businesses are run and some need to move past basic barbaric sales numbers and need to start looking at the bigger picture. Its all about the money and this gen money is sourced from many types or avenues not just physical hardware sales like in the past.

As for these services, this is where MS see the money, not how many consoles they sell. In fact its these type of services like GamePass and Play Anywhere that diminish there very own physical game sales and it seems that doesn't bother MS at all, so its clear that MS (A company that knows how to make money) are heading in this direction. Weather its successful next gen will wait and see, as for this gen it seems to be working for them.

Yes you don't care about sales, but are always talking about it. You care about revenue but can't show sources. Very comfortable position where you can deny all you don't want to see.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Azzanation said:
CGI-Quality said:The money made and the sales numbers earned matter. You're lying to yourself if you deny that. Can't tout your Business 101 card and have that viewpoint. 

Bottom line, this is a sales site (on its own, might I add - no other site attempts to do what VGChartz does). Those who work hard to bring the numbers do so with as much diligence and accuracy as they can. Sometimes, they miss the mark, but that's okay. They adjust when/where appropriate.

I respect this site and the work going in, I never said sales don't matter, I come here for figures and news. I am pointing out those who just use sales to downplay other products. Money is money and the business is changing. Its good to know the base of a systems sales but lets keep in mind that digital is a thing, gaming services like Netflix is a thing, companies are starting to not announce hardware sales is a thing, games are becoming Play Anywhere titles is a thing, Streaming is becoming a thing. We need to start looking at the whole picture and not just "This product sucks because it hasn't outsold its direct competitor" nonsense.

You complain about a handful of those who "use sales to downplay other products". It is a pointless thing to fret about. Plus, if sales are of no consequence to you, why call them "meaningless stats"? Really, your first paragraph in the quote contradicts this sudden shift.

As far as companies not announcing sales, that would only be Microsoft and they are only not doing so because of their distance to the competition. But, like Nintendo and Sony, they know how important marketshare is. Again, that is Business 101.

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Azzanation said:
CGI-Quality said:The money made and the sales numbers earned matter. You're lying to yourself if you deny that. Can't tout your Business 101 card and have that viewpoint. 

Bottom line, this is a sales site (on its own, might I add - no other site attempts to do what VGChartz does). Those who work hard to bring the numbers do so with as much diligence and accuracy as they can. Sometimes, they miss the mark, but that's okay. They adjust when/where appropriate.

I respect this site and the work going in, I never said sales don't matter, I come here for figures and news. I am pointing out those who just use sales to downplay other products. Money is money and the business is changing. Its good to know the base of a systems sales but lets keep in mind that digital is a thing, gaming services like Netflix is a thing, companies are starting to not announce hardware sales is a thing, games are becoming Play Anywhere titles is a thing, Streaming is becoming a thing. We need to start looking at the whole picture and not just "This product sucks because it hasn't outsold its direct competitor" nonsense.

Really? I bet I could find posts where you not only said exactly that, but defended that idea in follow up posts. Do you think I could find such a post?

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PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Good, don’t take them serious. Laugh and move on, they’re petty.

This is a good move for MS.

However, you also have the same MS fans, defending everything MS does. Power was irrelevant, first party was irrelevant, Japanese games were irrelevant, until MS supported these gaming mediums, and their fans flip flopped on the topic. Sony fans did this too, but many of them also criticized Sony, instead of turning a blind eye to their short comings. Only if we could dig up old threads... 

Oh sure. 

Sony will never charge for online.

Indie games don’t matter.

Downloadable games don’t count. 

Rumble is not important.

Power is extremely important, until Scorpio, now it’s irrelevant. 

Etc etc. You’re talking about fans flip flopping to suit their favorite toy maker, which happens all the time on every site, but doesn’t have anything to do with what I said or what I was replying to.



*Customers will be able to pay around $22 per month and net themselves an Xbox One S, Xbox Live, and Xbox Game Pass for two years. Around $35 will net them an Xbox One X.

It will be interesting to see how much this affects the Xbox family sales. 

I think it will help it to keep sales up YoY, not only this year but next year as well.