Mr Puggsly said:
Machiavellian said:
Actually it was not rushed through congress. Unlike the abomination that was the republicans bill they tried to pass, Obama actually tried to get the ACA though bipartisan manner by bring in a more conservative approach to the plan which or course was structured on Mitt Romney's plan. The reason no Republican voted for Obamacare was not that the plan was unsound it was because anything that made Obama look good was an absolute no no, especially since they wanted to make him a one term president and stated so. There is evidence back during that time that showed that Republicans were on a plan to oppose anything Obama supported all the while trying to act as if they cared to make him look bad.
thought this is an opinion piece, it pretty much describe why the Republicans couldn't actually find a better plan then the ACA because the ACA was their plan maybe with a few wrinkles but those parts could have been ironed out if they actually wanted to make a better plan then scrape anything with the word Obama in it.
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/fess-up-gop-obamacare-is-bipartisan/
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Republicans didn't just oppose Obama because they wanted to make him look bad, they simply have different ideologies. Its like trying to get democrats to support anything Trump does, even stuff people actually want like getting tough on immigration and lower taxes.
I think American people primarily just want cheaper and easier access to healthcare plans. I'm more in the center about this. I do see Healthcare.gov as a good solution to help the minority in this country that don't quite have access to good healthcare for various reasons. It arguably needs better options though and perhaps the subsidies can be overly generous in country with many safety nets already.
Right now though democrats are leaning into the single payer idea more than fixing Obamacare. Obama felt like a moderate compared to where dems are going now.
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There is a difference between different ideologies and just plain stubborn denial.
https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311
Or you can watch this video on how Republicans whole stragety was to oppose Obama on everything even if it helped or supported things they wanted
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-republicans-plan-for-the-new-president/
Democrats never supported lower taxes and Obama administration was considered pretty tough when it comes to immigration. I guess going the extra mile and taking children without any means to get them back to their parents wasn't tough enough but to each their own.
The American healthcare system is pretty broken and will remain so. The cost will continue to go sky high and for all the people saying how great it is that you have the Cleveland or Mayo clinic, when a time comes when they need that insurance they believe will cover them for some expensive procedure, medication or medical expense and get turned down, is when they realize the US can have all the great tech and drugs in the world but doesn't mean anything if you cannot get access to it. Having your savings nuked, pleading with your friends and neighbors to help never feels good and all the while more options are taken away because its too expensive to keep you alive. No one think about these social services until you need it then it's a whole different story.
A single payer system will never happen in the US because big insurance companies will make sure as they always have to make it go away. The discussion still needs to happen because it seems people really are way to concerned how much money big insurance companies make compared to how many lives can be saved. I am not saying that Insurance companies should not make money but the cost of everything needs to be put in check. If my doctor charges me 60 bucks to a simple procedure you can do at home for 5 bucks or less, that's where the bloat comes in. Its that kind of bloat within the system I keep hearing people champion saying this is how it is. With that kind of thinking there will never be any change in the US, because no one wants to put any effort.
Last edited by Machiavellian - on 20 August 2018