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End of the day what we saw on stage was the POTUS standing strong and next to him was Trump wonder how long it is until they introduce mandatory Russian lessons in US schools.



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Jumpin said:
RobertoPallas said:

I bolded the most important part.

 

They have said things like that before

No, the important part is asking Russia for help. That's the core of the comparison.

That is the funny and sad part.  So Trump and Putin go into a private meeting where they hash out this plan where Russia will help the US find these nefarious people who hacked the US.  Putin throw out a list of demands for this help which of course he knows none of the US agencies will even consider accepting it.  As we know the plan with this is that once nothing is done, Putin and Trump will start to make a case that everything is bogus because Mueller did not follow through with Putin terms.  Putin will let Trump spearhead this plan and laugh all the way to the bank as he cut him another check for getting played.  This whole ploy is about as obvious as it comes and in the next few weeks we should start seeing tweets from Trump following along right on script.



CosmicSex said:
Aeolus451 said:

All of the major countries try to influence each other's elections and politics. This is nothing new.

 Russia didn't successfully hack the election or change the results. Trump did not collude with Russia. The US is not being controlled by Russia. This is just conspiracy nonsense and a convenient political club to hit Trump with.

Russia actually did hack into the election.  Maybe they changed results. Maybe they didn't.  But we are not gonna get anywhere if you give them a pass on hacking in the first place.  

Why are you trying to protect them.  Obviously you aren't American.   The average American believes in defending America.  What country do you live in?

It's impossible to hack. They're on closed networks.

I'm being pragmatic about it. We can't arrest him or anything. At most, we arrest a few agents and maybe some sanctions then it's over. It's not really about Putin or Russia. It's just being used to hurt Trump by dems. You can READ that info in my profile.



Aeolus451 said:
CosmicSex said:

Russia actually did hack into the election.  Maybe they changed results. Maybe they didn't.  But we are not gonna get anywhere if you give them a pass on hacking in the first place.  

Why are you trying to protect them.  Obviously you aren't American.   The average American believes in defending America.  What country do you live in?

It's impossible to hack. They're on closed networks.

I'm being pragmatic about it. We can't arrest him or anything. At most, we arrest a few agents and maybe some sanctions then it's over. It's not really about Putin or Russia. It's just being used to hurt Trump by dems. You can READ that info in my profile.

Your profile says you are American.  Even the GOP believes in defending America. So its really hard to believe that you aren't American.  The latest indictment on Friday also explained that 500,000 voter info accounts were stolen from one state alone.  They explained that the companies who provided software to state election boards and voting machines was breached by Russians as well.  Yesterday it was reported that one company that provides machines for voting had REMOTE ACCESS software installed on the ballot counting machines and lied about its existence.  It was reported that at least 21 states had their election sites penetrated by Russians.  

So when you say this is just dems making something up to get Trump, I just can't believe that you are even American.  If I am wrong that is even more alarming.  Outside of Trump, liberals and all of that, what would it take for you to stand up for America?  I am not attacking you support of Trump.  I am questioning why the entirety of the US intelligence community in your mind doesn't compare to Trumps words?  It is irrational. 

We should be able to support who we want and think objectively at the same time.  I mean your opinion is yours and you have a right to that.  But you can't have an alternative opinion on actual hard facts without becoming a liar. 





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CosmicSex said:
Aeolus451 said:

It's impossible to hack. They're on closed networks.

I'm being pragmatic about it. We can't arrest him or anything. At most, we arrest a few agents and maybe some sanctions then it's over. It's not really about Putin or Russia. It's just being used to hurt Trump by dems. You can READ that info in my profile.

Your profile says you are American.  Even the GOP believes in defending America. So its really hard to believe that you aren't American.  The latest indictment on Friday also explained that 500,000 voter info accounts were stolen from one state alone.  They explained that the companies who provided software to state election boards and voting machines was breached by Russians as well.  Yesterday it was reported that one company that provides machines for voting had REMOTE ACCESS software installed on the ballot counting machines and lied about its existence.  It was reported that at least 21 states had their election sites penetrated by Russians.  

So when you say this is just dems making something up to get Trump, I just can't believe that you are even American.  If I am wrong that is even more alarming.  Outside of Trump, liberals and all of that, what would it take for you to stand up for America?  I am not attacking you support of Trump.  I am questioning why the entirety of the US intelligence community in your mind doesn't compare to Trumps words?  It is irrational. 

We should be able to support who we want and think objectively at the same time.  I mean your opinion is yours and you have a right to that.  But you can't have an alternative opinion on actual hard facts without becoming a liar. 

Again, to what extent do we defend as you put it? Are you suggesting we go to war over it? That's crazy. Do you have sources that's credible on those?

 I said that dems are using the russians' attempt to hack/influence our politics to discredit Trump. If Hillary won and the same info came, the liberal media would be quiet about it.

I didn't mention the intelligence agencies at all.



Cobretti2 said:
QUESTION TO THOSE LIVING OUTSIDE THE USA:

Does anyone else wonder how the US has managed to survive as a society with so many paranoid people in it lol?

Maybe Doomsday Preppers will bring out Donald Trump Edition series. Miss that show lol

It is absolutely bonkers.

I realize the country is divided in half between the developed states and the under development states. I also know that the public educational system is extremely anemic, wich leads to Christianity taking root and lack of knowledge to proliferate. It's a huge country and that is probably it's biggest problem.

Oh, there's also the incredible faith some put in the forefathers like they were incredibly wise people till the end of time. They were smart and made a constitution that worked best in their days. The days where communication means between the interior and the big cities was extremely difficult and slow. That is naturally no longer the case, and the system is now less democratic than many other democracies in the forefront.

What becomes clear is that the US is a country of inequalities. There are very very rich people and very very poor people with little support. It takes root because people seems to think the rich guys know best, but what they know best is how to take advantage of fools. The cycle perpetuates. I don't want to take sides, but it is obvious that the Republican party has been the most responsible for the lack of advancements in education, health care and issues like gun control. They cut the basis of the people so they can better manipulate them and they demonize Socialism like democratic socialism is a bad thing, when in truth is the tool to fix the inequalities.

Unfortunately, i don't know how the issue can be solved. But, it is clear that the lesser of two evils is the democratic party, because at least they are bringing better living conditions to the population rather than try to keep them neutered. With the way things are going though, it's clear the US is taking steps backwards and i worry for what that will mean for the world order. If the US falters, China and especially Russia under Putin can become very dangerous.

I know many american's don't have the foresight to understand this, but Europe is the wall that keeps them safe from Russia and China, and vice versa. If one is to fall, we may very easily fall pray to another maniac madman like Hitler, and if Europe falls, the US has no means to resist. It can be Putin if it happens during his time. He proved he can do it with Crimea. It is not so different from what Hitler wanted to do with the Prussian corridor wich officially sparked WW2. The difference is that Puttin is an ex-spy and he likes to plan things long term. Hitler was a bit more of an impatient klutz.

Now watch the mob of Trump fans flame me. xD



Locknuts said:
I've never seen Donald Trump look like such a bitch. Putin is an absolute boss.

He's always been a bitch. He has such a fragile ego and sense of self worth that he pulls bitch moves like: Invents a person, pretends to be that made up person, and does this for the express purpose of straight up lying about himself. Embellishes his own wealth. Float absurd ideas to his business partners because he's too much of a bitch to do it himself. Lie about his sexual exploits, and how he was always being hounded by famous female celebrities because he couldn't get his knotted gourd of a penis close to these women on his own merit. Then after being exposed, lied about lying. And that shit is just a grain of sand on Bitch Beach.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

of course republicans immediately respond with quotes from OBAMA AND HILARY instead of responding to the actual issue here. Because of course they have to show how big their Peepee is so that they win the argument, while ignoring again the issue here.



 

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Aeolus451 said:
CosmicSex said:

Your profile says you are American.  Even the GOP believes in defending America. So its really hard to believe that you aren't American.  The latest indictment on Friday also explained that 500,000 voter info accounts were stolen from one state alone.  They explained that the companies who provided software to state election boards and voting machines was breached by Russians as well.  Yesterday it was reported that one company that provides machines for voting had REMOTE ACCESS software installed on the ballot counting machines and lied about its existence.  It was reported that at least 21 states had their election sites penetrated by Russians.  

So when you say this is just dems making something up to get Trump, I just can't believe that you are even American.  If I am wrong that is even more alarming.  Outside of Trump, liberals and all of that, what would it take for you to stand up for America?  I am not attacking you support of Trump.  I am questioning why the entirety of the US intelligence community in your mind doesn't compare to Trumps words?  It is irrational. 

We should be able to support who we want and think objectively at the same time.  I mean your opinion is yours and you have a right to that.  But you can't have an alternative opinion on actual hard facts without becoming a liar. 

Again, to what extent do we defend as you put it? Are you suggesting we go to war over it? That's crazy. Do you have sources that's credible on those?

 I said that dems are using the russians' attempt to hack/influence our politics to discredit Trump. If Hillary won and the same info came, the liberal media would be quiet about it.

I didn't mention the intelligence agencies at all.

Just wondering, what do you believe the US should do.  Should the US just call it even and move on or should they keep digging and try to find out exactly how deep this whole hacking and interference goes.  As far as damages goes, the US can do a lot and they can send a strong message to the rest of the world and place Russia in a tight situation against other nations.  This isn't some isolated event that just affect the US, Russia has interest all over the world and being caught interfering with other nations always have huge consequences.  It really seems like you do not understand the global aspect of the accusations and the damage they present.

It appears you seem to view the whole issue as just Trump and this seems to make you dismiss it because it appears to be just an attack against him.  I believe you are missing the complete picture.  No one knows yet if Trump has anything to do with Russia efforts.  We will find out exactly what Mueller has been able to collect or not collect at the end of his investigation. It would also be in Trump best interest if he had no involvement in Russia efforts and comes out scott clean.  He needs to stay out of his own way if he is innocent.  Trump actions, I have to say sure make things hard to believe he isn't involved in some way but the burden of proof will always be with the accusers.