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Machiavellian on 18 July 2018
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Aeolus451 said:
CosmicSex said:

Your profile says you are American.  Even the GOP believes in defending America. So its really hard to believe that you aren't American.  The latest indictment on Friday also explained that 500,000 voter info accounts were stolen from one state alone.  They explained that the companies who provided software to state election boards and voting machines was breached by Russians as well.  Yesterday it was reported that one company that provides machines for voting had REMOTE ACCESS software installed on the ballot counting machines and lied about its existence.  It was reported that at least 21 states had their election sites penetrated by Russians.  

So when you say this is just dems making something up to get Trump, I just can't believe that you are even American.  If I am wrong that is even more alarming.  Outside of Trump, liberals and all of that, what would it take for you to stand up for America?  I am not attacking you support of Trump.  I am questioning why the entirety of the US intelligence community in your mind doesn't compare to Trumps words?  It is irrational. 

We should be able to support who we want and think objectively at the same time.  I mean your opinion is yours and you have a right to that.  But you can't have an alternative opinion on actual hard facts without becoming a liar. 

Again, to what extent do we defend as you put it? Are you suggesting we go to war over it? That's crazy. Do you have sources that's credible on those?

 I said that dems are using the russians' attempt to hack/influence our politics to discredit Trump. If Hillary won and the same info came, the liberal media would be quiet about it.

I didn't mention the intelligence agencies at all.

Just wondering, what do you believe the US should do.  Should the US just call it even and move on or should they keep digging and try to find out exactly how deep this whole hacking and interference goes.  As far as damages goes, the US can do a lot and they can send a strong message to the rest of the world and place Russia in a tight situation against other nations.  This isn't some isolated event that just affect the US, Russia has interest all over the world and being caught interfering with other nations always have huge consequences.  It really seems like you do not understand the global aspect of the accusations and the damage they present.

It appears you seem to view the whole issue as just Trump and this seems to make you dismiss it because it appears to be just an attack against him.  I believe you are missing the complete picture.  No one knows yet if Trump has anything to do with Russia efforts.  We will find out exactly what Mueller has been able to collect or not collect at the end of his investigation. It would also be in Trump best interest if he had no involvement in Russia efforts and comes out scott clean.  He needs to stay out of his own way if he is innocent.  Trump actions, I have to say sure make things hard to believe he isn't involved in some way but the burden of proof will always be with the accusers.