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Jumpin said:
Nautilus said:

No offence, but goddammit, what a twisted view of what an AAA game, or rather a high profile game, should be.Honestly, there is not much to say to out other than everything you just said is wrong.Being a high profile game is not about burning money on a game that dosent require such investment to be the best it can, rather that the developer thats behind it gives the best it can, effort or monetary, that the game needs to be the best it can.In another words, the game couldnt be better than that, for the type of game the creators invisioned it, even if the budget was twice the size.Of course some Nintendo games could use the extra budget, but Mario Oddyssey, BOTW, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Smash Ultimate, Splatoon 2, Mario Tennis Aces and so on are all "AAA" games.Even second party games or third party exclusives, like Mario + Rabbids and Octopath are AAA(even if I can see the case of Octopath being an AA game)

And honestly, do you even care if a game is AAA, AA or indie if its an excellent game?I give two fucks if a game had a higher budget or not as long as Im getting the best game that developer could make.

AAA is an acronym for A lot of money, A lot of resources, A lot of time; it’s basically the videogame version of a blockbuster - and like blockbusters, just because Vertigo and Casablanca are two of the most critically acclaimed films of all time, does not make them blockbusters. You may not like it, but your alternate definition is simply not correct. I bet you’re one of the guys who tried to argue Metroid and Ocarina of Time as RPGs as well.

LOL

Please.

Honestly, AAA is as much of a reliable term as exclusive is nowadays: its significance is bend over backwards depending on the agenda and/or what the company/gamer is defending.Or also depending on the mood of a fanbase and/or someone.If that company is winning or in their favour, they will sing with all the air on their lungs and preach like its the absolute truth that word and its meaning.If thats not the case, then they will say how useless and meaningless AAA/indies/exclusives/RPG/shooters are and how they dont mean what they mean and so on.

People are singing this tune now because Nintendo didnt deliver as they did last year.But when Smash releases, when Pokemon Lets Go does better than people expect, when 2019 is not the doom and gloom like some(not all) are saying its going to be, all this "worrying" will change yet again like it always does.And to be blunt, thats not exclusive to Nintendo, though its more proeminent with them.Same happens with Sony and MS when they are a bit under the weather.

People are so predictable.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Oh and just a sidenote:The other reason that Nintendo presentation this year wasnt all that big its because more than half of it was leaked to hell and back.While it still wouldnt be as good as last year, a surprise announcement of Fortnite and its shadow drop, along with DB Fighters Z, Overcooked 2, the smaller indie stuff could have easily made people less salty about the presentation.Wouldnt make it better than last year, but it would make it better.Just saying.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
Oh and just a sidenote:The other reason that Nintendo presentation this year wasnt all that big its because more than half of it was leaked to hell and back.While it still wouldnt be as good as last year, a surprise announcement of Fortnite and its shadow drop, along with DB Fighters Z, Overcooked 2, the smaller indie stuff could have easily made people less salty about the presentation.Wouldnt make it better than last year, but it would make it better.Just saying.
Hardly, atleast that wouldn't have made a difference to me. Fire Emblem n Yoshi still delayed with Yoshi not even shown, Smash would still get an underwhelming and overly long reveal, more time would still be lost showing off $50 dlc for Let's Go, and Mario Party would remain as the only new announcement from Nintendo while Animal Crossing is vaporware for all we know.

Thats your opinion, I think Nintendo won E3 last year, they should several new games



zorg1000 said:
wombat123 said:

Seriously.  The only new thing that really made people happy about last year's E3 was a Metroid Prime 4 logo that probably only existed because Nintendo was scared that Samus Returns would get the 'Federation Force' treatment because it wasn't on the Switch and wasn't Metroid Prime 4.  Other than that, the only really big new exclusives they showed off were Kirby Star Allies, Yoshi and Mario + Rabbids and I doubt many people were ultra excited about another 2D Kirby and Yoshi game since Planet Robobot and Woolly World came out recently. I'm not saying 2018 was spectacular, I'm just saying that some people romanticize 2017's E3 because of how great BotW was, a logo and a promise from a Pokemon Company executive.

I agree, this year wasnt amazing but people are acting like it was terrible and last year was the greatest thing ever when they were pretty similar. Here is a breakdown of each year.

 

2017

Compilation of upcoming multiplayer titles (ARMS, Splatoon, Pokken, FIFA and reveal of Rocket League)

Xenoblade 2 trailer

Kirby reveal and trailer

Pokemon in development, no footage or details

Metroid Prime 4 logo, no footage or details

Yoshi reveal and trailer

Fire Emblem Warriors trailer

Breath of the Wild DLC

Mario+Rabbids reveal and trailer

Mario Odyssey trailer

 

2018

Daemon x Machina reveal and trailer

Xenoblade 2 DLC

Pokemon Lets Go trailer

Mario Party reveal and trailer

Fire Emblem first trailer

Fortnite reveal and trailer

Overcooked 2 reveal and trailer

Queen Killer reveal and trailer

Compilation of various upcoming titles (ARK, Octo Expansion, Mario Tennis, Wolfenstein, Dragon Ball,  Wasteland etc)

Smash Bros first trailer

It's interesting looking back on E3 2017's presentation. While it was nice that Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon RPG were confirmed, it does fall into the trap of either having a logo or a CGI trailer for a game that may not release within 1-2 years like games we've maligned in the past (i.e., Kingdom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy VII R, Shenmue 3, Last Guardian, Crackdown 3, etc.). So while it created buzz, it's a little bit of a cheese considering we may not hear anything of Prime 4 until next year.

With E3 2018, we had some of the games, that were presented in Nintendo's Direct, leaked (DBFZ, Fortnite, Paladins, Killer Queen Black, etc.) so the surprise factor (which may have not been that big of a surprise since there were rumors of some of these games being developed for Switch earlier) was gone. It was like the E3 2015 Smash Direct when Ryu and Roy were leaked through someone hacking into Smash 4's update and finding all of the assets. While it was a good Smash Direct, the surprise factor was gone and we were like, "cool, they are in the game now," instead of ,"Holy $%#& Roy's back!" and "RYU?!?! How the $%&# did he get in???"

Though I am happy Xenoblade 2 has made a presence in both E3s and has garnered commercial and critical success, especially for a niche franchise in which the first game barely made it to the West by the time the Wii was making it's final curtain call.

To me, though, even though Smash's presentation was over 25 minutes long, I think it stands with Super Mario Odyssey's E3 trailer as some of the most incredible stuff I've seen from Nintendo, or any other company that presented, in the past few E3s. I cannot believe that every character is back (especially Snake). This sets up more incredible dream match-ups that no other video game crossover could imagine having (though maybe Project X Zone 1 and 2 could contend). As a long-time Smash Bros. fan, I am elated and excited to play this game, especially since they've added so many new elements to the gameplay and tweaked most (if not all) of the characters from the games of the past (whether it be Smash 4, Brawl, or Melee). It may look like an enhanced port of Smash 4 to some, but from the gameplay I've seen and the content that is presented (and yet to be presented), it looks to be so much more than a mere enhanced port. I've seen so many reaction videos of the Smash trailer and its presentation and its pretty amazing how many people are shocked, excited, and happy to see such a legendary roster.



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HintHRO said:
Nintendo still doesn't realize E3 is one of the biggest gaming events in the world and they are not taking advantage of it by showing games that appeal to multiple types of gamers that are otherwise very difficult to reach via social media or the internet. No Nintendo, not every gamer in the world likes Smash. Not even all Nintendo fans.

They realised that that's why they focused hole E3 2016. to Zelda BotW that already become best selling Zelda game ever. What difrent with Nintendo compared to some others companies is that Nintendo is saving some announcements for Directs also and that they are focusing for releases in near future, almost all their E3 announcements are 2018. releases.

 

Jranation said: 
I think it was the 6-9 month rule that needs to be removed. I think at e3 it is okay for them to show games that will come out in the next 2 -3 years. Give us a short trailer and people would be hyped. Even the logo/title

No it dont need, not every person want to be showed game 2-3 years before launch and that game than be at several E3s before launch.

 

DélioPT said: 
Nintendo seems to have a new angle for E3.
When Zelda Botw was all the rage a couple years ago, they thought they could focus on a major game for E3 and people would love it.
Zelda, Mario Odyssey and now Smash.


Also, Nintendo's strategy of scattering announcements throught the year is good when you have a lot to show. When you don't [have], that makes each announcement less impactful.

Reason why they decided hole E3 2016. only to Zelda BotW is because they didn't want to talk about Switch games yet that they were saving for January presentation, so E3 2016. was exaption and really can't be compared with any other E3.

 

But it's very obvious that Nintendo has staffs to show through the year:

-January: Kirby, Mario Aces, Dark Souls, DKTF, The World Ends with You: Final Remix, Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition, Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana, Celeste, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle DLC, SNK HEROINES Tag Team Frenzy, Labo...

-March: Smash Bros, Splatoon 2 Expansion, Okami HD, Sushi Striker, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes, Undertale, Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, Little Nightmares, South Park...

-May: Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu, Pokemon Let's Go  Eevee, Pokemon Quest.

-June: Fortnite, Paladins, Daemon X Machina, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 DLC, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Overcooked 2, Killer Queen Black, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Starlink, Fifa 19..

Offcourse they could show more staffs at E3 if they wanted, but they didnt want that, and we can expect at least 2-3 more Directs in rest of year where we will have more 2018. announcements.



zorg1000 said:
Angelv577 said:
It was the only conference that I didn't watch and based on most feedback, I am glad I didn't watch it.

People are making it out to be worse than it really was, in terms of content it was about the same as last year except for an extra 20 minutes of Smash info which could have been saved for the Treehouse or a Smash specific Direct.

If they would have just done a 3-5 mimute trailer for Smash than it would have been pretty similar to last year.

Yeah, biggest problem with E3 Direct was too long Smash Bros segment (Bros Smash took 24 min from 42 min Direct), so basicly people forget all other things showed before Smash Bros segment and they were bored, so if Smash Bros Ultimate had only around 5 min segment, reactions would be far more positive then they were, while this looked more like Smash Bros Direct than E3 Direct.



Miyamotoo said:
zorg1000 said:

People are making it out to be worse than it really was, in terms of content it was about the same as last year except for an extra 20 minutes of Smash info which could have been saved for the Treehouse or a Smash specific Direct.

If they would have just done a 3-5 mimute trailer for Smash than it would have been pretty similar to last year.

Yeah, biggest problem with E3 Direct was too long Smash Bros segment (Bros Smash took 24 min from 42 min Direct), so basicly people forget all other things showed before Smash Bros segment and they were bored, so if Smash Bros Ultimate had only around 5 min segment, reactions would be far more positive then they were, while this looked more like Smash Bros Direct than E3 Direct.

Oh they wish we would've forgotten, perhaps that's why they made the Smash segment so long lel. But um yeah, obviously if they made the direct not meh, it wouldn't have been meh. Tis a moot point that doesn't change anything so I'm not sure why yal keep repeating it.

I dont. Nintendo thinks that E3 is the Place to announce games comming in the next few weeks. Well, thats not what e3 is all about. E3 is about the future. And as earlier you are showing the games as lower is the chance the game will get leaked and the hype lvl will stay high. Somebody should have asked Reggie if he thinks that FF7 will sell under 1m because Sony and Square are "teasing" the fans since 4 years. That game will sell like hotcakes. Like GoW did. 



Lonely_Dolphin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yeah, biggest problem with E3 Direct was too long Smash Bros segment (Bros Smash took 24 min from 42 min Direct), so basicly people forget all other things showed before Smash Bros segment and they were bored, so if Smash Bros Ultimate had only around 5 min segment, reactions would be far more positive then they were, while this looked more like Smash Bros Direct than E3 Direct.

Oh they wish we would've forgotten, perhaps that's why they made the Smash segment so long lel. But um yeah, obviously if they made the direct not meh, it wouldn't have been meh. Tis a moot point that doesn't change anything so I'm not sure why yal keep repeating it.

I disagree, E3 Direct was solid until Smash Bros segment, and very long Smash Bros segment effect very negatively on hole E3 Direct, just 5 min long Smash Bros segment definitely would make Direct mush less negative, also point that some things like Fortnite were already leaked didn't help at all.