By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft - Confirmed: Next Gen Xbox Codenamed Scarlet.

CGI-Quality said:
Azzanation said:

Talking about the average PC gamer, from memory the average PC gamers Rig was around the 4tf if I am correct at the end of last year.

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2018/01/06/valve-reveals-the-most-popular-pc-specs-for-december-2017.aspx

That's referencing the 1060 (I assume the 6GB), which is just the GPU. PCs aren't judged, in teraflops, based solely on that. In fact, so much emphasis has been put on floating point performance without actually grasping what it entails. I get it - it's an exciting talking point for console gamers (and even some gaming PC users) just getting in the know, but they aren't the end all, be all of computing power.

Think of me as an example—how often do I brag about teraflops in any of my rigs? It's just not a simple matter of "ha, I have more TF than the next person". Then there is also a matter of fine print, as they wrote *The survey is opt-in, however, so it's not a 100-percent accurate picture Steam's demographics.

I know what you are saying and PC users don't use the term Teraflops.. heck I don't even know what my PC is, I think its 9TF but it is not for me to care about. I am using it as an example just to measure the PC user base, if a next gen game can run on a GTX1060  than it will run on the X. 

(It shows in the graph 2gig VRAM.. which seems wrong because I thought they were only 3gig to 6gig cards)

Last edited by Azzanation - on 11 June 2018

Around the Network

It's funny how sony  can announce the playstation 4 is at the end of its life cycle and everyone praises them for getting ready but when Microsoft does it you guys spell doom hypocrisy at its finest



Azzanation said:
Manlytears said:

Do you wanna make a bet? Sure, we are going to see crossgen, and perhaps you will be able to use a X1X and X1S console to "stream Xbox scarlet games", but "True support and development for X1X is not happening".

Microsoft "end of console generations" is bullshit. Soon X1X will be just another console outdated.

Next gen is clearly going to be pushing technology however what about those PC ports, do all these devs think that PC gamers are going to be running with 10+ TF gaming PCs on average just to run PS5/XB2 games? They barely have 4TF on average, does that mean next gen games wont work on PCs? Because if it can work on a low level PCs than it can work on the X, and MS will make sure that's the case if they go that PC route.

Let me ask you:

1. Do you realy belive developers will support X1X for at least 8 years ( 2018 -2025)? Do you belive any developer would support hardware that will be luck to be at 10M in 2020 for such longtime.

2. Do you think the current Jaguar cpu ( said to be very weak and "small step" over ps3 cell cpu) on scorpion can be compared whit the rumored Ryzen cpus set for nextgen?http://www.redgamingtech.com/ubisoft-gdc-presentation-of-ps4-x1-gpu-cpu-performance/

3. Do you think developers will spend resources just to please a very small number of x1x users? That they will hold back nextgen consoles just to port games to x1x?

4. Do you realy think X1X "cost x benefice" will manage to keep up whit nextgen consoles? Do you think the ancient tech. Used on X1s and x1x will hold anything over nextgen?

Dude, X1X is a PR move, MS just created it to talk about "power advantage" and make fans happy. The "end of generations" talk is bullshit! Streaming have a good chance of ending genaration and consoles, but x1x got nothing. Sure, crossgen will happen( it will alson be a thing on ps5) but that's it, support for such small userbase isn't happening.

Last edited by Manlytears - on 11 June 2018

Obvious fact, but they shouldn't have announced it IMO. Now it's gonna be NX all over again.



Manlytears said:
Azzanation said:

Next gen is clearly going to be pushing technology however what about those PC ports, do all these devs think that PC gamers are going to be running with 10+ TF gaming PCs on average just to run PS5/XB2 games? They barely have 4TF on average, does that mean next gen games wont work on PCs? Because if it can work on a low level PCs than it can work on the X, and MS will make sure that's the case if they go that PC route.

Let me ask you:

1. Do you realy belive developers will support X1X for at least 8 years ( 2018 -2025)? Do you belive any developer would support hardware that will be luck to be at 10M in 2020 for such longtime.

 

2. Do you think the current Jaguar cpu ( said to be very weak and "small step" over ps3 cell cpu) on scorpion can be compared whit the rumored Ryzen cpus set for nextgen?

http://www.redgamingtech.com/ubisoft-gdc-presentation-of-ps4-x1-gpu-cpu-performance/

 

3. Do you think developers will spend resources just to please a very small number of x1x users? That they will hold back nextgen consoles just to port games to x1x?

 

4. Do you realy think X1X "cost x benefice" will manage to keep up whit nextgen consoles? Do you think the ancient tech. Used on X1s and x1x will hold anything over nextgen?

 

Dude, X1X is a PR move, MS just created it to talk about "power advantage" and make fans happy. The "end of generations" talk is bullshit! Streaming have a good chance of ending genaration and consoles, but x1x got nothing.

If they support low level PCs next gen than sure, the X will be considered a low level PC and be supported because it will be part of Xbox's ecosystem which will support there next Xbox and the previous ones mainly the X.

Let me ask you this, do you think next generation developers aren't going to care for the 10s of millions of PC gamers because there hardware isn't up to PS5/XB2 standards?

I was running Doom 2016 on my 2010 AMD 6970 2gig VRAM.. that's .600 TF in case you needed to compare the specs difference. It wasn't ideal as I was playing the game at 30 frames and 1080p but it was still very playable and I finished the game before I upgraded my PC to what it is today. If my 2010 GPU can run Doom 2016 than I see no issue with the X running next gen games.



Around the Network
TranceformerFX said:
They announced another console codename less than a year after the One X hit shelves? Man, Microsoft is all over the place... Basically they're quietly admitting that the One X has been a catastrophic failure.

Did they announce a new console? Seems to me they just let gamers know they’re working on next gen and was more of a testament to their commitment, something they’d been harping on all conference.

I mean... isn’t it common knowledge these companies are always working on R&D for new hardware?

And hot damn. If my Scorpio is a “catastrophic failure” then here’s hoping everything I buy ends up being a “catastrophic failure” :)



Azzanation said:
Manlytears said:

Let me ask you:

1. Do you realy belive developers will support X1X for at least 8 years ( 2018 -2025)? Do you belive any developer would support hardware that will be luck to be at 10M in 2020 for such longtime.

 

2. Do you think the current Jaguar cpu ( said to be very weak and "small step" over ps3 cell cpu) on scorpion can be compared whit the rumored Ryzen cpus set for nextgen?

http://www.redgamingtech.com/ubisoft-gdc-presentation-of-ps4-x1-gpu-cpu-performance/

 

3. Do you think developers will spend resources just to please a very small number of x1x users? That they will hold back nextgen consoles just to port games to x1x?

 

4. Do you realy think X1X "cost x benefice" will manage to keep up whit nextgen consoles? Do you think the ancient tech. Used on X1s and x1x will hold anything over nextgen?

 

Dude, X1X is a PR move, MS just created it to talk about "power advantage" and make fans happy. The "end of generations" talk is bullshit! Streaming have a good chance of ending genaration and consoles, but x1x got nothing.

If they support low level PCs next gen than sure, the X will be considered a low level PC and be supported because it will be part of Xbox's ecosystem which will support there next Xbox and the previous ones mainly the X.

Let me ask you this, do you think next generation developers aren't going to care for the 10s of millions of PC gamers because there hardware isn't up to PS5/XB2 standards?

I was running Doom 2016 on my 2010 AMD 6970 2gig VRAM.. that's .600 TF in case you needed to compare the specs difference. It wasn't ideal as I was playing the game at 30 frames and 1080p but it was still very playable and I finished the game before I upgraded my PC to what it is today. If my 2010 GPU can run Doom 2016 than I see no issue with the X running next gen games.

I get your point and logic. If the game is 4k/60 on next gen why not port it 1080p/30 on last gen? The awser is simple,  the last gen sales are weak and the diference in visual and performance is just too big! Just look at the sales of non-crossgen games like titanfall, rise of tomb raider and Shadow of mordor, the last gen ports sold much less than the next gen version!   http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=72892   http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=84683     http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=77128

 no good sales = no last gen ports.

It's the same logic of "why not make a nintendo switch port"

Edit:

One more thing, the "it still works, just inferior version" narrative doesn't sit well whit x1x avarenge user. I mean, most x1x users are gamers that want the best performance, they are people that want and can pay for premium! Why would they keep scorpion when they can play on nextgen xbox? Also, please don't talk about making scorpion an "entry model whit low price", things don't work like this. Nextgen will have much better tech, especially on cpu front, and x1x will not be able to match cost X benefice of nextgen. That said, price advantage will be meaningless, most people will just buy the new consoles.

Last edited by Manlytears - on 11 June 2018

Azzanation said:

I was running Doom 2016 on my 2010 AMD 6970 2gig VRAM.. that's .600 TF in case you needed to compare the specs difference. It wasn't ideal as I was playing the game at 30 frames and 1080p but it was still very playable and I finished the game before I upgraded my PC to what it is today. If my 2010 GPU can run Doom 2016 than I see no issue with the X running next gen games.

I really can't say I've followed much of your convo, but:

6970 is 2.7 TFLOPS GPU...that performs slightly to 20% (depending on the game) below R7 265 (1.84 TFLOPS GPU). R7 265 is, more or less, performance level of PS4's GPU.



Manlytears said: 

I get your point and logic. If the game is 4k/60 on next gen why not port it 1080p/30 on last gen? The awser is simple,  the last gen sales are weak and the diference in visual and performance is just too big! Just look at the sales of non-crossgen games like titanfall, rise of tomb raider and Shadow of mordor, the last gen ports sold much less than the next gen version!   http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=72892   http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=84683     http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=77128

 no good sales = no last gen ports.

It's the same logic of "why not make a nintendo switch port"

Edit:

One more thing, the "it still works, just inferior version" narrative doesn't sit well whit x1x avarenge user. I mean, most x1x users are gamers that want the best performance, they are people that want and can pay for premium! Why would they keep scorpion when they can play on nextgen xbox? Also, please don't talk about making scorpion an "entry model whit low price", things don't work like this. Nextgen will have much better tech, especially on cpu front, and x1x will not be able to match cost X benefice of nextgen. That said, price advantage will be meaningless, most people will just buy the new consoles.

That's where I see the next Xbox being marketed very differently compared to Sony's PS5. If MS go the PC no Gen route than its very possible to make the next Xbox very powerful but still being able to keep the other X1s as cheap alternatives. Yes they will struggle without a doubt but price wise not everyone will want to upgrade straight away. Tomb Raider 2013 and Forza Horizon 2 came out on the 360 so I see a similar method being applied to there next system without actually having to heavily code the games to run on the platforms. Its all just a possibility not a reality. PC do it, I cant see why consoles cant. 

HoloDust said:
Azzanation said:

I was running Doom 2016 on my 2010 AMD 6970 2gig VRAM.. that's .600 TF in case you needed to compare the specs difference. It wasn't ideal as I was playing the game at 30 frames and 1080p but it was still very playable and I finished the game before I upgraded my PC to what it is today. If my 2010 GPU can run Doom 2016 than I see no issue with the X running next gen games.

I really can't say I've followed much of your convo, but:

6970 is 2.7 TFLOPS GPU...that performs slightly to 20% (depending on the game) below R7 265 (1.84 TFLOPS GPU). R7 265 is, more or less, performance level of PS4's GPU.

You are right, I misread the specs on that card. either way it was a very weak card with not enough Ram to keep up with Doom. I still managed to play it at 1080p and it held a solid 30 frames most of the time but when the effects started to jump in, my card started to show its age and I was playing it on Low/Medium settings. There were times I walked in a room and the card didn't even draw up the walls and it had this bright pink flat shaded look, it wasn't a good look for a game like Doom haha. 



I think they just wanted to reinforce that Xbox is here to stay with the new 1st party devs announcements and saying that they're making a next gen platform.

Last year was news of them closing down studios, cancelling exclusives and making all Xbox games multiplatform with PC. If a new Xbox was around the corner, they would just hold their mouth for that big surprise in Q1/Q2 2019 like they have in the past. Instead they're saying it now likely as a queue to investors and fans that they're in it for the long haul.