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Pemalite said:
Azzanation said:

Its like they needed to get that rumour off there chest and by not only bolstering there 1st party lineup by double there studio counts, they also announced there future console which goes well in conjunction with there recent investments. 

Not only does Xbox have 5 new studios, they have a future platform for them to dish out whatever exclusives are on there plates.

I highly doubt we are going to see a drastic increase in the number of exclusives.
I am happy to be proven wrong of course.

We just have to keep in mind that a few of the studio purchases were already making exclusives.

Well lets put it this way, aside from Undead Labs, 4 Studio's next games will be exclusive to both Windows/Xbox platforms (maybe acouple Steam releases from Compulsion and Ninja Theory)

Reason i said 4 Studios is because Playground has two teams which means there rumoured openworld RPG will be exclusive aswell. Thats 4 new games ontop of there previous 5 they release from there current 1st party studios. Almost doubling there gaming portfolio.

Next gen thats 9 big incoming exclusives with there 1st cycle of releases.

Hopefully they turn out alright. We will see soon enough.



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Azzanation said:

Well lets put it this way, aside from Undead Labs, 4 Studio's next games will be exclusive to both Windows/Xbox platforms (maybe acouple Steam releases from Compulsion and Ninja Theory)

Reason i said 4 Studios is because Playground has two teams which means there rumoured openworld RPG will be exclusive aswell. Thats 4 new games ontop of there previous 5 they release from there current 1st party studios. Almost doubling there gaming portfolio.

Next gen thats 9 big incoming exclusives with there 1st cycle of releases.

Hopefully they turn out alright. We will see soon enough.

I can't call them real exclusives when they are on PC though. - I do own both platforms.

I mean... Buying Playground games was smart, they made high quality games for Xbox.
And buying Undead Labs was a wise decision as well, they made high quality games for Xbox.

Compulsion Games doesn't really have a track record of anything massive really, 2 games in 9 years, but who knows, they might impress later, rather give them some more time before passing judgement, just so they can prove themselves.

So that leaves the second studio of Playground, that is rumored to be working on a Fable. (Please gaming Gods, let it be so!)
And of course the massive win that is Ninja Theory.

I just don't see there being a massive uptick in exclusives with those purchases, I expect an increase, sure.

And I agree, hopefully they are all solid titles... And it will be nice to have a break from the Forza/Gears/Halo formula that typically defines Xbox, but I still want Microsoft to do better.




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I see a number of people commenting that this may mean a 2019 release for nextbox. No way this is going to happen - not with X1X releasing last year and games coming out next year. The purchases of the devs also suggests the next-generation is further away as i am sure MS will want to leverage all these studios to have games coming out around the start period.

OT - i dont think this was a good time to announce that the nextbox was in development. Its detracting from X1 and gives the perception they are no longer interested in this gen (which it seems they are no longer). It seems like this move is geared towards investors to assure them that they haven't given up rather than anything else.



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thismeintiel said:
TranceformerFX said:

I probably won't get the PS5/Xbox 2 as I expect there won't be a significant graphical leap going from the PS4 Pro to the PS5.
While not on a total hyper realistic scale, we as gamers can say beyond reasonable deniability that we've officially reached the point where visual rendering and character models look like real people, especially regarding faces.

Aloy (HZD) looks like a real person, they near perfectly re-created Kevin Spacey for Advanced Warfare, Kratos looks like a real person, etc etc etc... I'm fully aware the 7nm tech will be of great benefit, but as far as visuals go - I think we've hit a wall. I don't know where everyone else started their gaming hobby, but I've come a LOOOOONG way since the Super Nintendo... I'll be 32 years old when the PS5 lands (assuming it's Q4 2022 release date) and I can whole heartedly say that, once the PS5's software matures and takes full of advantage of it's hardware, video game visuals will have absolutely peaked in it's current entertainment form. (TV + Console + Controller)

This is why I agree with Ubisofts prediction that after the PS5 and Microsofts equivalent has had it's run, the two companies and maybe Nintendo as well will have adopted a streaming service. Im reaching the age where I have to put video games behind me, and wthin the next 2 - 3 years will probably be the best time to do so considering the circumstances on where consoles are going.

Oh and yeah, I also want to get out of gaming before forced diversity, politics, and loot boxes completely ruin my hobby. That too. And judgement by the climate - that time is extremely f***ing nigh...

If the PS5 sells another 100M+, why the heck would Sony not make a PS6? Until console sales for the top console drops below 50M, we'll still see consoles.

As for the last part, SJWs have been fought off before in this industry. Several times, in fact. You don't keep them out by just giving up. That's how they get their way. 

IF, and that's maybe expecting too much, PS5 and XB Scarlet launch with an 8 core Ryzen CPU/APU, there is a good chance they can last a full 10 year cycle if they follow the same trend as this gen. The problem now is the Jaguar cores are too weak and need to be put to bed. If they use a strong enough future proof CPU, they can just scale up the GPU and add some new features every 3 years, but have 2 upgrades over the gen. If tech keeps slowing down, then maybe 4k TV's will end up mainstream until 2030, in which case we could just have a base console around 2020 and an upgrade around 2025. That or two "short" full gens. By 2030 hopefully streaming infrastructure should be sound enough that it can handle around half of the consumers needs. You could sell half a $199 streaming box and the other half a $399-$499 full blown console. Assuming the cheaper streaming box and service grows the business, that can help subsidize the cost of the dedicated console so it's still affordable.



EricHiggin said:
thismeintiel said:

If the PS5 sells another 100M+, why the heck would Sony not make a PS6? Until console sales for the top console drops below 50M, we'll still see consoles.

As for the last part, SJWs have been fought off before in this industry. Several times, in fact. You don't keep them out by just giving up. That's how they get their way. 

IF, and that's maybe expecting too much, PS5 and XB Scarlet launch with an 8 core Ryzen CPU/APU, there is a good chance they can last a full 10 year cycle if they follow the same trend as this gen. The problem now is the Jaguar cores are too weak and need to be put to bed. If they use a strong enough future proof CPU, they can just scale up the GPU and add some new features every 3 years, but have 2 upgrades over the gen. If tech keeps slowing down, then maybe 4k TV's will end up mainstream until 2030, in which case we could just have a base console around 2020 and an upgrade around 2025. That or two "short" full gens. By 2030 hopefully streaming infrastructure should be sound enough that it can handle around half of the consumers needs. You could sell half a $199 streaming box and the other half a $399-$499 full blown console. Assuming the cheaper streaming box and service grows the business, that can help subsidize the cost of the dedicated console so it's still affordable.

As long as tech keeps advancing, streaming will never be a full solution. There will be tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people who do not have the speeds or data caps to stream 4K games hours at a time with little to no added lag. And by the end of next gen, 8K will be starting to slowly be adopted as the norm, just as 4K is, now (I'm guessing a PS5 Pro will be be able to play a few games at 8K, even if it's CB.) Only a fool would cut so many potential customers off. 

And it won't be if, but when the next market leader sells 100M+.



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thismeintiel said:
EricHiggin said:

IF, and that's maybe expecting too much, PS5 and XB Scarlet launch with an 8 core Ryzen CPU/APU, there is a good chance they can last a full 10 year cycle if they follow the same trend as this gen. The problem now is the Jaguar cores are too weak and need to be put to bed. If they use a strong enough future proof CPU, they can just scale up the GPU and add some new features every 3 years, but have 2 upgrades over the gen. If tech keeps slowing down, then maybe 4k TV's will end up mainstream until 2030, in which case we could just have a base console around 2020 and an upgrade around 2025. That or two "short" full gens. By 2030 hopefully streaming infrastructure should be sound enough that it can handle around half of the consumers needs. You could sell half a $199 streaming box and the other half a $399-$499 full blown console. Assuming the cheaper streaming box and service grows the business, that can help subsidize the cost of the dedicated console so it's still affordable.

As long as tech keeps advancing, streaming will never be a full solution. There will be tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of people who do not have the speeds or data caps to stream 4K games hours at a time with little to no added lag. And by the end of next gen, 8K will be starting to slowly be adopted as the norm, just as 4K is, now (I'm guessing a PS5 Pro will be be able to play a few games at 8K, even if it's CB.) Only a fool would cut so many potential customers off. 

And it won't be if, but when the next market leader sells 100M+.

There are no doubt going to be plenty of people who require full hardware for quite some time. If the sales could grow to say 150 million for the top selling brand over 10 years, which shouldn't be out of the question by any means, then they could have 75 million streamers and 75 million non streamers. A cheaper box and cheaper games on a subscription service could drastically grow the user base far beyond that.

Newer tech will also be put into practice in terms of streaming, and so there is no reason to think that by 2030 we can't have streaming devices and services that will have anywhere near the problems they have now. I'm sure the console companies and devs can figure out a way to get the lag down to a reasonable level by then and figure out how to make that work with full blown hardware so it doesn't have an advantage.



Seriously..I’ve never seen a marketing department of such a huge company which simply doesn’t have a clue about the subject. It’s hopeless. One would think the huge break in X1 sales after Scorpio announcement would’ve taught them some lessons.



After all of this gen's failures for them i expect(hope) them to announce this new console with guns blazing like in lots of new IP's and gamerfriendly practices. :p