PortisheadBiscuit said:
Shadow1980 said:
My thoughts on so-called "forced diversity"?
So long as the end product is good, who cares what race, gender, or sexual orientation the characters are? I honestly don't get people who obsess over these things. Whether it's people complaining about Spider-Man: Homecoming's majority non-white cast (Whites not a majority in Queens? Stop the presses!) or other people complaining about the Major in the live-action Ghost in the Shell movie being played by the very white Scarlett Johannsen instead of a Japanese actress, it gets old, quick. Judge the film, show, or game on its own merits, not because it has too few or too many minorities for your tastes.
For example, the Ghostbusters reboot wasn't bad because it made the main characters all women. It was bad despite that. The movie had a bad script, bad direction, lackluster effects, and humor that lacked the humor and charm of the original. But there's no reason an all-female Ghostbusters crew couldn't have worked.
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This all day, everyday!
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While it's hard to say that Ghostbusters never could have worked with a female cast, it's not hard to argue that if you had replaced those female main characters with men, the film more than likely would have been more feasible and would've made more money. Men acting like idiots/morons is typically found to be more acceptable than for woman since men are usually seen as easier to replace. They would have had to find a new formula to make the franchise work, but instead they kept the same flavor and just used different toppings this time.
It's no different than if your gas car breaks down, you typically take it to a mechanic, not an electrician. There's nothing saying that sparky couldn't do the job, and heck, they may even do a better, faster, cheaper job, but that would be a very rare scenario. Now, if you decide to purchase yourself an electric car instead, while it's a different type of vehicle, it's still similar, and get's the same job done, but now the electrician would be just as useful as the mechanic.
I think Ocean's 8 is going to have a similar problem, just maybe not as bad. Woman for the most part are seen as caring and giving and are more about equality, so trying to portray them as greedy thieves isn't going to be easy. As for woman being a bit crooked in their own way, that is more realistic which should allow the film to do better than Ghostbusters did. In order to make it a big hit, they will need to change the formula from the franchise as it exists now.
While I don't personally like when great franchises are changed similar to how they have been more recently, I do understand the business decisions behind it. If Hollywood tried this inclusivity type of casting with brand new unknown films, it would have been even harder to market them. Using the established franchises that are guaranteed to reach the greatest number of audiences initially and pay back/profit as much as possible, is a much safer bet. It does make you question however, the merit of the content, since strong content typically leads to strong viewership regardless of the backing, most of the time. That's not to say it's the main reason why they are using known franchises, but it no doubt comes up as a question.
Trying new idea's using existing brands is a big bet though, so it's not to be looked at solely as wanting to push an agenda. PS3, XB1 and Wii U are good examples. All three consoles really strayed from what made their brands sales so strong, and look how it turned out for them. Nin had to take a whole new approach with Switch to get back to their glory days in terms of sales so far. While PS has been able to recover with PS4 by focusing on the core, the likelihood at this point that 'XB2' will be able to come back as strong seems unlikely, without going back to it's roots or branching out even further.
Time and the free market will tell how the future unfolds as per usual.