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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 18): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - April 30 - May 6, 2018 (Golden Week)

RolStoppable said:
Megiddo said:
The controversial position is that I believe that Labo's performance, thus far, in Japan can be considered "not good". That is, I have the gall to state that it's doing something other than good. Whatever word you choose to describe (I'm keen on using middling myself, but sub-par, mediocre, and other similar words also work.

The definitions of "good" and "not good" can greatly vary, so assigning actual numbers to which constitutes what would be a good start. How many units would each Labo kit have to sell in Japan by the end of 2018 to be considered good? Others are free to answer that question as well.

Twice the initial shipment. ~800k combined or ~600k for Variety and ~200k for Robot



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Megiddo said:

@Miyamotoo Are you still expecting Labo sales in the first month to be greater than 2 million units?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8756029

No, I definitely expected better start for Labo, but that doesn't mean that Labo bombed (curently WW is most likly 500k+).



500k seems like a good ballpark estimate to me for current WW sales. ~40% of Labo sales being from Japan makes sense.



Megiddo said:
Miyamotoo said:

Almost 200k for now is good regardless Labo stock.

Not sure why you think that. There was a major marketing push for Labo. Only selling ~200k units of the ~400k first shipment isn't particularly good. I won't say it's bad either, but it's certainly not good. I'm curious to see how much it sells next week.

It's the same situation as in the Labo-thread: haters of Nintendo said 1 million sales worldwide for Labo will be a flop, while Nintendo-supporters said this number would be amazing. With these numbers in Japan Labo is surely past 500K worldwide, a million should be possible to the end of the year. So the discussion turns around the question if that is a bad number or a good one. But ask yourself: how many games reach these numbers? Especially so low-budget stuff and with narrow target groups as Labo?



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How many titles sell over a million? Pretty much every single Nintendo first-party game on the Switch.

If it's Nintendo then it's going to sell on the Switch. Hell, just look at 1-2 Switch for proof of that concept. Are you saying that Labo was not fiscally ambitious nor an attempt to grow the userbase of the Switch? If the only goal of Labo was to sell to Nintendo enthusiasts then I guess the mission was accomplished.



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Megiddo said:

How many titles sell over a million? Pretty much every single Nintendo first-party game on the Switch.

If it's Nintendo then it's going to sell on the Switch. Hell, just look at 1-2 Switch for proof of that concept. Are you saying that Labo was not fiscally ambitious nor an attempt to grow the userbase of the Switch? If the only goal of Labo was to sell to Nintendo enthusiasts then I guess the mission was accomplished.

Nintendo enthusiasts dont bring sales to a million otherwise Fossil Fighters, pre-3DS Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Metroid Zero Mission/Hunters, Kirby Canvas/Rainbow Curse, Xenoblade 1 & X, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival, DK Jungle Climber, Star Fox Command/Zero, Codename STEAM, etc would have all cleared 1 million.



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Megiddo said:

Not at all. Just pointing out some relatively highly active users in this thread's predictions in terms of Labo. Basically, pointing out that its performance in Japan has been not good relative to what some highly active users were expecting.

Some people had unrealistic expectations. In a video game forum! Stop the press, this is breaking news!

At the same time you ignore the majority in the thread, which thought a million worldwide should be considered a success.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755060

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755072

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755084

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755134

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755177

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755191

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755196

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755236

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755440

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755468

Also, as I said back in the thread, a bunch of Youtube-videos hardly are a 'marketing blitz' or whatever ridiculous notions were thrown around.



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So, on the Switch, what Nintendo 1st party title has failed to clear 1 million? You don't think DKTF will fail to clear it do you? the DS/GBA had a ton of retail games to compete for consumer wallets. The Switch, thus far, does not.



RolStoppable said:
Megiddo said:
The controversial position is that I believe that Labo's performance, thus far, in Japan can be considered "not good". That is, I have the gall to state that it's doing something other than good. Whatever word you choose to describe (I'm keen on using middling myself, but sub-par, mediocre, and other similar words also work.

The definitions of "good" and "not good" can greatly vary, so assigning actual numbers to which constitutes what would be a good start. How many units would each Labo kit have to sell in Japan by the end of 2018 to be considered good? Others are free to answer that question as well.

He gave worldwide figures of his expectations: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755422

Depending on assumptions of how much of the sales are from Japan, these numbers are either in line or topping his expectations.



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Mnementh said:
Megiddo said:

Not at all. Just pointing out some relatively highly active users in this thread's predictions in terms of Labo. Basically, pointing out that its performance in Japan has been not good relative to what some highly active users were expecting.

Some people had unrealistic expectations. In a video game forum! Stop the press, this is breaking news!

At the same time you ignore the majority in the thread, which thought a million worldwide should be considered a success.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755060

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755072

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755084

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755134

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755177

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755191

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755196

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755236

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755440

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8755468

Also, as I said back in the thread, a bunch of Youtube-videos hardly are a 'marketing blitz' or whatever ridiculous notions were thrown around.

Nearly all those posts are stating that 1 million is not a flop. I agree. I have not once called Labo a flop. Do I need to put it in caps and bold? LABO IS NOT A FLOP. There. See? So now beyond the simple threshold of "not being a flop" you have a wide range of subpar/mediocre/middling sales numbers. Then you have "good" then "great", "awesome", etc.

 

You see. Nintendo fans seem to think it's like this.

-------------------------------X----------------------------------  where everything before X is a flop and after X is "good" or better.

In reality it's like this.

------------X----------------------Y-----------------Z----------  where everything before X is a flop, between X&Y is mediocre/middling/average, between Y&Z is good/great, and Z or after is ""

 

I'm currently arguing that Labo's current performance in Japan is somewhere between X and Y.

And yes, by my 2018 estimates I figured Labo would under-perform. It would sell to enthusiasts and wouldn't broaden the base.