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TheLegendaryWolf said:
such culture doesn't exist here in the west, India needs to modernize their laws & morals more, and I don't think easier access to guns would help much in developing/3rd world country like India without doing the former first.

"such culture doesn't exist here in the west"

the first 3 links i posted in the op indicate that a rape culture does indeed exist in the west 



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The problem is though that most people are sexually abused by those that they know, so most of the time it's not the case of a stranger coming by and trying to force themselves on you and you being able to fend them off with a gun. It's more complicated than that.



I think thats a problem for India and probably some other eastern countries, but not the west.



Mystro-Sama said:
I think thats a problem for India and probably some other eastern countries, but not the west.

So, everyone else but not us ? Talk about a way to minimize the impact our institutions and the patriarcal model have on the rape culture in the west.

Though I can't blame you, society is playing it's cards pretty well to make it seem like there's nothing going on.



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Well, how many rape scenarios would a gun feasibly stop? Would a gun help if you're drugged unconscious or too drunk to handle one safely? Would you be able to reach and operate your gun if you're getting intimate with someone and they start going too far (and without them overpowering and taking it from you)? Is lethal force lawful if someone approaches you without a weapon? If not, is it already too late to pull and use a gun by the time their intent is clear, let alone clear enough to exonerate you after the fact? If they do have a weapon, can you get your own out in time before they use theirs?

The rough percentage of rape scenarios where I can imagine a gun would be worth carrying to prevent is very small. Pepper spray or tasers, on the other hand, could be useful in more scenarios, require little training, can be carried in more places, and pose much less danger to yourself if taken from you.



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o_O.Q said:

"In India a women is reportedly raped every 15 minutes. Multiply that by 24x7, 365 days a year. And keep in mind the majority of rape cases still go unreported."

While I do think that rape is a big problem in countries like India, I just want to point out that some countries count sexual harassment as "rape" legally. And some also count every instance of rape/sexual assault as a separate case of rape, while other countries, like USA, doesn't.
If a person rapes the same victim every day for years, that can count as 1 case of rape in one country, and hundreds of cases of rape in other countrises.

Just think it's important for people to be aware of this. to know this.

Anyway, my first thought wou7ld not be "more guns". That's not going to lead to a better situation overall. You have over 10 000 gun homicides annually in the US, and like 8 in Japan. And it's much easier to kill from a distance than up close.
If we're talking about arming people who are worried about this, I would first consider something like pepper spray rather than a gun. But there are reasons for why those are banned in many countries as well.



I'm not about to propose the existence of a singular solution to the problem of rape culture or suggest that Indian women pursue a course that might be considered more PC and appropriate here in the United States. Indian feminists understand the particular expressions and force of rape culture in their own country better than I do and can surely, accordingly, devise their own solutions on their own terms.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Well a better point to start from would be to ask if rape culture in the West actually exists.

Yep. I don´t think that such thing exists in the West or, at least, not in most countries here. Rape is always considered a crime in this part of the world, at least.



This argument seems to be about reducing rate rates and not rape culture, unless you really want to look at the situation in a larger scale - which seems fairly pointless in this case, I think. Anyway, regarding rape rates, guns can probably help a bit, but as far as I know, most rapes happen in situations where either using or maybe even carrying a gun would probably be too hard to have much of an effect. Regarding this 'rape culture' (which I'm fairly convinced to be either a really bad name for a real issue or something that doesn't really exist, unless the situation is radically different in other western countries), I doubt guns could really have much effect on it.

VGPolyglot said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Well a better point to start from would be to ask if rape culture in the West actually exists.

Well, judging by this definition:

"A society or environment whose prevailing social attitudes have the effect of normalizing or trivializing sexual assault and abuse."

And considering the thread from yesterday, I'd say that yes it does.

Judging by that definition, I'd say it doesn't exist in my country. Well, there's always small vocal minorities, but calling anything a 'culture' because of them sounds more than a bit wrong to me. Of course I could be wrong, but I would imagine that I would have at least some idea about what this 'rape culture' really is about if it really was much of a thing here.



o_O.Q said:
TheLegendaryWolf said:
such culture doesn't exist here in the west, India needs to modernize their laws & morals more, and I don't think easier access to guns would help much in developing/3rd world country like India without doing the former first.

"such culture doesn't exist here in the west"

the first 3 links i posted in the op indicate that a rape culture does indeed exist in the west 

Yeah I read them, did you? Here's their definition from the 1st one: "Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture." From the 2nd one: "It describes a culture in which dominant social norms belittle, dismiss, joke about or even seem to condone rape and sexual assault." Using those same definitions proves my statement about such culture not existing here, not saying it doesn't happen but it certainly isn't prevalent, never encouraged or excused by our society as a whole or even the majority. Just because a number of subhuman trash commit such atrocities and unfortunately a few of them get away from it does not mean our culture encourages it, not even close.