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Ka-pi96 said:
contestgamer said:
I dont understand why these kind of disputes keep going on endlessly. You want the islands? Then take them by force. Japan should simply take it by force and dare Russia to start world war over them.

It wouldn't be a world war, it would be a civil war at most. There is a large anti-military sentiment in Japan and there were a lot of protests when they changed their constitution to allow them to send troops abroad to aid allies. If they were to launch an un-constitutional invasion of Russia then the government would be absolutely fucked.

And even if they were able to convince the people to support an attack on Russia (it would never happen though), then they'd be the aggressor and Russia would be the one that receives sympathy and support from around the world.

Those Islands are historically Japanese, not Russian though. They belong to Japan, they would just be taking back whats theirs.



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contestgamer said:
Ka-pi96 said:

It wouldn't be a world war, it would be a civil war at most. There is a large anti-military sentiment in Japan and there were a lot of protests when they changed their constitution to allow them to send troops abroad to aid allies. If they were to launch an un-constitutional invasion of Russia then the government would be absolutely fucked.

And even if they were able to convince the people to support an attack on Russia (it would never happen though), then they'd be the aggressor and Russia would be the one that receives sympathy and support from around the world.

Those Islands are historically Japanese, not Russian though. They belong to Japan, they would just be taking back whats theirs.

They've been Russian since the second world war, there's a lot of historically Russian there too. Not as if that would change the minds of a pacifist population that doesn't even want an army, let alone an unprovoked attack on Russia.



Ka-pi96 said:
contestgamer said:

Those Islands are historically Japanese, not Russian though. They belong to Japan, they would just be taking back whats theirs.

They've been Russian since the second world war, there's a lot of historically Russian there too. Not as if that would change the minds of a pacifist population that doesn't even want an army, let alone an unprovoked attack on Russia.

Who lives on those Islands atm? What's the demographics?



contestgamer said:
Ka-pi96 said:

They've been Russian since the second world war, there's a lot of historically Russian there too. Not as if that would change the minds of a pacifist population that doesn't even want an army, let alone an unprovoked attack on Russia.

Who lives on those Islands atm? What's the demographics?

I believe mainly Japanese. If you think demographics matter, Crimea should belong to Russia. A referendum would be good but neither side will accept the result if they lose.



HomokHarcos said:
contestgamer said:

Who lives on those Islands atm? What's the demographics?

I believe mainly Japanese. If you think demographics matter, Crimea should belong to Russia. A referendum would be good but neither side will accept the result if they lose.

Crimea should belong to Russia...



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So, if Russia made a deal to give them back the islands, they should just keep their word. One could make the argument that the Soviet Union made the deal and not Russia, but that is like saying that the post WWII Peace deals that the Union made are no longer recognized and that is probably untenable. Does Russia have an interest in the islands? What exports come from those islands and basically what is it worth to Russia. It all comes down to money. In just the same vein that people should keep their word, Japan should continue insisting if they still hold that agreement to be valid.



Their is also an (Han) island that is claimed by Canada/Denmark, and every few months it gets invaded by the Canadians/Danish military and they replace the flag and leave some Snaps/Whiskey etc behind.






CosmicSex said:
So, if Russia made a deal to give them back the islands, they should just keep their word. One could make the argument that the Soviet Union made the deal and not Russia, but that is like saying that the post WWII Peace deals that the Union made are no longer recognized and that is probably untenable. Does Russia have an interest in the islands? What exports come from those islands and basically what is it worth to Russia. It all comes down to money. In just the same vein that people should keep their word, Japan should continue insisting if they still hold that agreement to be valid.

They only made a deal to give them back a couple of the islands though, not all of them, and even that wasn't to apply until they had officially agreed peace, which they have yet to do. Besides, one could also ask what interest Japan has in the islands, couldn't they?



Ka-pi96 said:
CosmicSex said:
So, if Russia made a deal to give them back the islands, they should just keep their word. One could make the argument that the Soviet Union made the deal and not Russia, but that is like saying that the post WWII Peace deals that the Union made are no longer recognized and that is probably untenable. Does Russia have an interest in the islands? What exports come from those islands and basically what is it worth to Russia. It all comes down to money. In just the same vein that people should keep their word, Japan should continue insisting if they still hold that agreement to be valid.

They only made a deal to give them back a couple of the islands though, not all of them, and even that wasn't to apply until they had officially agreed peace, which they have yet to do. Besides, one could also ask what interest Japan has in the islands, couldn't they?

Maybe a bunch of their people living on them? History?



contestgamer said:
Ka-pi96 said:

They only made a deal to give them back a couple of the islands though, not all of them, and even that wasn't to apply until they had officially agreed peace, which they have yet to do. Besides, one could also ask what interest Japan has in the islands, couldn't they?

Maybe a bunch of their people living on them? History?

So the same claim that Russia has? Actually, arguably less since 70+ year ago history is a lot less relevant today than recent history.