What am I reading???

Forget sales numbers. Look at install base. Not just that, but look at PS+ subscriptions. Its likw people are forgetting the wholw point of consoles is to sell ga,es and in this gen.... run a service.

And the wait another year thing? Wake the fuck up..... Next gen consoles won't come until 7nm fabrication becomes a thing. Right now at best thats looking at 2020  for 7nm to become mature enough (aka cheap enough) to go into consoles. But lets not even stop there.... say sony and amd design a chipset to leverage 7nm fabrication. And make no mistake they have probably already designed said chipset or are well underway. You know why they haven't released it yet?

No 7nm.

You know what they stand to gain by waiting another year after whenever 7nm actually shows up? Cheaper APUs as a result of improved yeilds. The ONLY thing that will make sony release as early ia possible is if MS is releasing their hardware asap. Thats it. 

And I'm the one that is naive? smh....... do you guys think these companies look forward to releasing new hardware? lol......

If you heard about orbis, then you should have heard about durango. Both of which were the actual real "secret" code names for the PS4 and XB1. The same place those rumors came from even went as far as point out that they would be using almost identical hardware and both using the jaguar CPU. It pointed out that MS was using GB of DDr3 ram.... only thing it got wrong was that the PS4 would have 4GB of Ram.... which was what leda lot to be saying it was going to be dead on arrival.

Compared to all that what we are getting now is what? Devkits are in the hands of third party devs? Lol...I could say that too like anyone else.

And to whoever said sony is getting better with leaks now? I don't know where they are getting that from but its not true..... after all didn't we know everything about the "neo" before it was even announced?

Errrr..... no. Doesn't work that way. Unless of course you're just living out some kinda tech fantasy.

Say in 2020 sony releases a console with the at the time 6-12 month old 7nm fab process. And say they have a GPU that is oushing say 12TF.

If sony waits till 2020.... that doesn,t automatically mean they will be using some sort of next next gwn tech and be able to go from 12TF to 20TF. Just not possible. The most they get from waiting a year or two is that yeilds improve at 7nm chip foundaries which means they save money which could also mean that they could go with a slightly more powerful version of whatever they were workng on... either from uppping the clocks a bit (due to processs maturity) or adding a few more cores in there.

So basically, they may go from 12TF to like 14TF/15TF at best. Or stick with the 12TF but release at a lower price point. Or release it anyway and make a killing at retail per console sold.

And dont worry.... nothing will be able to outclass anything untill 3nm chips become available. Which could very well be by 2024-2026.

And even the 4GB could be accurate. I heard somewhere that Mark Cerny convinced Sony to put 8GB GDDR5 at the last minute.

I am talking 7nm vs 7nm+. If they launch in 2019 it will be extremely earlier 7nm parts that will have to make sacrifices to make sure the first units are sustainable, meaning they won't get the full benefits on 7nm. A 2020 release would have more stable fabrication, and allow them to up the clocks, and get more chips that are clean enough to handle the task.

By late 2021 or early 2022 7nm+ or 5nm if they decide to call it that will be available, and it will allow for some significant gains, and it will launch AMD's next gen GPU tech, which will be the foundation of AMD based graphics for years and years to come. This is absolutely the best time to launch, because they will be able to pair Ryzen, Next Gen, 64GB of RAM, and SSD, all techs that offer a next gen improvement over the PS4 tech. That will set them up very nicely for a PS5 Pro on 3nm.  

I could be mistaken, but the rumors were that sony was set on going with GDDR5. But a the time the biggest memory package GDDR5 were 256MB chips. Do the most tjey couls get was 4GB on their PCB. Also, aware of this unavailibility of GDDR5 ram at higher capacities MS built their hardware around DDR3 and that way had it locked down for 8GB. Luckily for sony though, somewhere around the tail end of 2012 512MB GDDR5 chips became available.

No... AMDs next gen GPU will be based on 7nm/7nm+ or any other itwration of 7nm that comes up. Snd its called Navi. Because its been announced already in a roadmap doesnt make it any less of a next gen GPU architecture. 

Thats how it usually goes. Every node shrink sees a new generatiom of CPU amd GPU. 

I am looking right at AMD's road map, and it has Vega 14nm/14nm+, Navi 7nm, Next Gen 7nm+. I have no idea what they are planning, but if Next Gen is not set to have some significant improvement over Navi, you would think they would just have Navi 7nm/7nm+. It could just be marketing/hype or it could be substantial. I am personally of the belief that them calling it Next Gen is a pretty heavy tip of the cap to when Next Gen consoles will arrive.

Well just know that the next gen amd gpu is Vega. And-that should be here next year or the year after. Fab maturity (aka 7nm+) will not give a big enough jump in performamce to juatify brand new architecture. So no, whatever ia coming after vega wont come till 3/4nm becomes a thing.

The next gen-consoles would be based on ryzen and navi architecture.

Being $299 in its fifth year matters less if sales are being sustained over the year prior. So far, that is the case. Making money is top priority. They’ll make it to, and beyond, 110m even with the price still being what it is. They’ll cut when absolutely necessary.

It's on sale for $250 regularly, and it's always bundled with something.  So, I don't think saying that it's $299 is really a fair representation.  I'd bet the average price of the system with a game is like $270. If you assign the game a value of even $25, that brings the net cost down below $250.