How do you feel about your spin class? | |||
| Yes | 0 | 0% | |
| No | 4 | 40.00% | |
| The meaning of peace is t... | 6 | 60.00% | |
| Total: | 10 | ||
CaptainExplosion said:
Because nobody else called him out. |
Report the thread.
John2290 said:
Huh? How so? Mods on this site are the only reason I've stuck with it, the way they have handled bannings and punishment has been a godsend apart from some other video game centric sites and forums. CGI, Think-man, Zorro, truck back when he was a mod. All prime examples of how you handle the moderation of a site, especially a forum. |
That’s laughable, but that’s your opinion. Rules are made to be followed. Laxing on rules creates issues. The only reason at all that you’re for this is because you’re either a. benefitting from dysfunction, which is a great reason, honestly. Means you probably won’t get banned for whatever crap you say. Or b. you’re being contrarian, just to be contrarian. Is it a or b? There is no c, d, e, or any letter in the alphabet. You know this thread is bad. No meaningful discussion will or can be made. The whole point was to cause people to be pitted against each other. If this thread had any sort of substance, then a argument could be made that it’s worth keeping. It’s not though. It’s shallow, empty, and void of meaning. Much like the the discussions in it.
What's the point of exercising if you're not being welcomed into a spinning class which purpose is slimming down, then?
John2290 said:
Is it really that hard to believe someone who uses a website daily if not hourly wants that website to succeed and prosper. Epecially one focused around sales and profitability that you have to come up with reasons for me to do so. This thread may be bad but that's not the reason you chimed into the discussion between me a Polyglot, so I'm not going to elaborate on that. As I said, the quote should be enough and he has posted in the thread past the OP, that is enough to satisfy rules. |
It creates no proposal at all though, he's supposed to come up with a subject, then give his input, and then we respond to that input. With the way it is we just have to guess what the input was which just makes things more troublesome than they should be.
John2290 said:
Is it really that hard to believe someone who uses a website daily if not hourly wants that website to succeed and prosper. Epecially one focused around sales and profitability that you have to come up with reasons for me to do so. This thread may be bad but that's not the reason you chimed into the discussion between me a Polyglot, so I'm not going to elaborate on that. As I said, the quote should be enough and he has posted in the thread past the OP, that is enough to satisfy rules. |
It’s alarming you can this much while not being a beneficiary. And because you aren’t, I’m calling your bluff. They aren’t losing much by trimming the crap
| o_O.Q said: "Unless you wish to assert that messaging "spin classes" as predominantly white is due to logic" quick question... are the populations of white people and black people the same in the us? no? so if that's not the case would you expect 50/50 representation in any area? wouldn't that be a stupid expectation? furthermore there's the difference in economics between both populations, white people having more money to spend on leisure, for example and yes this obviously ties into past racism and oppression but that's not what this is about - the argument is about current factors
"I mean, the fact that marketing exists with fit people doesn't really prove your point." well it pretty much does when you are arguing incorrectly that they have to advertise in a particular way that is the opposite of what they have always done(99% of the time) and fitness programs being more popular now than ever
" While gyms make money, the "gym" industry is notorious for being unable to keep customers and while there are a lot of reasons for that" fitness programs whether it be gyms or otherwise are more popular now than they ever have been
"people being uncomfortable being "unfit" in a gym is one of them" insecurity because of lack of proficiency in any area affects people across all criteria and is not a problem that can ever be done away with
"This article is calling out a feeling of exclusion within a specific industry. Showing examples of that industry doing a poor job at including a certain demographic doesn't really prove any point." my point is that your framing of standard advertising procedure as bad or ineffective because its exclusionary is silly advertising as i said before is about two states - the state of the person initially before buying a product and the state of the person after buying the product the goal has always been to show the end result and as a result influence the person to buy into the product a consequence of that is to present the initial condition as being unsatisfactory or excluding it entirely, which obviously results in exclusion why do people work out? to be fitter and often to be more attractive so images are presented of what can be done by buying into a fitness program why do people buy hair loss products? to not be bald so images are presented showing men or women with full heads of hair why do people buy one type of phone over another because that phone is presented as having unique features not found anywhere else and you can go right through advertising and see the same pattern and its there for an obvious reason
"I know that I don't think I'd ever do a yoga class because they are typically all women, and I would feel super weird being the only guy doing yoga in a class of women. That says nothing about me hating women, but instead it says that I don't feel welcome in those groups because I am not part of the in-group of those classes." 63% of the us population is white and 13% is black how would you deal with that? |
"my point is that your framing of standard advertising procedure as bad or ineffective because its exclusionary is silly"
Except the issue here is that I am doing neither. I am not saying it is bad, I am saying that more could be done to make certain demographics feel included in certain activities, and I am not saying that it is ineffective, but instead that it could be more effective with certain subpopulations if it changed the messaging.
There is no need to be this reductionist here.
To speak about the marketing strategies you are discussing, there is a difference between marketing an ideal and marketing to an ideal. I mean, look at the balding products you spoke of. Pretty much every hair loss commercial I have ever seen has shown tons of people with terrible hair before showing that they achieved the ideal. This is to express the fact that these products are not targeted to individuals who are the ideal, but instead that the product is for people seeking that ideal. Without showing individuals who are not ideal, it is easy to create the messaging that this product is for people who are already at that ideal. Also, it is worth noting that products and memberships are fairly different when it comes to the feeling of exclusion, but I will move on from that for now.
As far as demographics go, if 63% of the population is white, than that means 37% is of some minority group, and remember we aren't just talking about diversity of race, but diversity of body type and diversity of age (and diversity and inclusion does not require a 50/50 split). But country demographics mean little when it comes to "messaging" here. You would have no trouble finding a minority to have some pictures taken of them. Remember that the assertion here is that individuals are not entering courses because they do not feel welcome due to the messaging. This results in demographics skewed beyond overall country demographics. In the example the article gives for membership, they spoke about a teaching class of 54 women. One (the author) was black. If true country demographics were present within this class, you would have about 7 black individuals here, so clearly that isn't a good proxy for the discussion we are having.
I really hate these articles, she's attacking the yoga culture for lack of diversity, without putting any thought into the idea that maybe she lives in an area with a whole lot of white people, or black people could care less about yoga, and maybe, just maybe, she is a racist herself saying all this. But can't say that to her, it would hurt her feelings and how dare we hurt her feelings because she is a strong independent women!.
Forcing diversity into everything does not work, hire people who are good no matter their color and the business will succeed. Like the moment I say i'm an attack helicopter, and there is not enough attack helicopters instructing yoga in the industry, this is really racist. What will they do? Nothing. There will be anarchy.
John2290 said:
Because I don't contribute with a paid subscription I am somehow a lesser of a benefit to the site than those who do? Lets say 5 percent of the site contribute money but the other 95 percent of the site stop clicking, stop refreshing, stop posting? What happens? No more site. |
Way to miss the point. You don’t get profit from the site. Them making money or not should not concern you. This is a shit thread that needs to be locked.
StarOcean said:
Look beyond the article and look at the user. That’s when you find intent. The user, check his history. What does it say about him? More than that, look at his threads. Before this thread it was: Do you consume soy?, How video games are fueling the far-right, Britain’s ‘Worst Ever’ child grooming scandal, NK talks about abandoning it’s Nuclear Weapons, Italian Election Results, US to overtake Russia/Saudi as top Oil Producer, etc etc: On top of gems such as “New World Order”. He does it to stroke the fears of the scared, anger the marginalized, and divide the common ground with half-truths and sensationalism. Control the narrative by misconstruing the intent of the information. Let’s look at this, the article, as you said it is nothing. It’s a boring and for the most part innocent story. Well as you can tell by the comments: Most didn’t read it, didn’t care to read it, and most of the commenters came here to fight for their side of the political spectrum. By knowing most won’t read it, he can write nearly anything he wants and cherry-pick any part and cause fight for it. Because he controls the narrative it is more often than not unchallenged. Funnily, this guy says we should avoid a world like 1984, when in fact his post screams and hollers with the same sounds of Big Brother. It’s hypocritical, but people like him don’t care. Or if they do they try to prove they aren’t bias. Or when they fail they redirect.
The OP is misleading and purposefully causing and sowing discord. I spent a fair share of my time watching these types. He’s nothing new or special. It’s a norm, left or right. They all do this shit, Honestly this needs to be a locked thread. |
"He does it to stroke the fears of the scared, anger the marginalized, and divide the common ground with half-truths and sensationalism. "
you sound pretty scared and angry with regards to him
and this entire post has the aim of dividing you and him while containing no content relevant to the op
how hypocritical of you
" Because he controls the narrative it is more often than not unchallenged. "
i'd like you to summarise for me what narrative he has derived from the article... that should be interesting
"The OP is misleading and purposefully causing and sowing discord. "
how? all he did was post an article that you appear to agree with...
| TheBird said: I really hate these articles, she's attacking the yoga culture for lack of diversity, without putting any thought into the idea that maybe she lives in an area with a whole lot of white people, or black people could care less about yoga. |
Well:
a) She is largely talking about the messaging, not just the membership
b) She is talking about her own state of feeling excluded
c) The author talks about how she is seeing more african-americans in her own classes, which she hypothesizes is due to an environment which feels less exclusive
So, this point is largely addressed by the actual article.
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