sundin13 said:
o_O.Q said:
"Unless your argument is that black people don't belong at a spin class like a no-footed person doesn't belong at a shoe store, there is no reason to go down this path. "
where are you pulling this nonsense from about racism against black people?
"Planet Fitness built a very successful business out of doing just that."
really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdccUsn8N4Y
where are the unfit people in these ads?
you could make the argument that these ads are about ridiculing people who take fitness too seriously... but that's not the same as your argument
and yet every fitness program for decades now has done just that and as far as i know its a successful industry
the article is delusional nonsense
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Unless you wish to assert that messaging "spin classes" as predominantly white is due to logic (in the same vein as marketing shoes to people without feet), there is no reason to go down that route of discussion.
And here is another ad from planet fitness about an overweight man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wQ9pCDahkU
I mean, the fact that marketing exists with fit people doesn't really prove your point. While gyms make money, the "gym" industry is notorious for being unable to keep customers and while there are a lot of reasons for that, people being uncomfortable being "unfit" in a gym is one of them, which is pretty much the mantra behind Planet Fitness.
I'm not really sure what the argument we are having right now is. This article is calling out a feeling of exclusion within a specific industry. Showing examples of that industry doing a poor job at including a certain demographic doesn't really prove any point.
contestgamer said:
This only is a problem for people that need to see others of their own size, race, gender, age and orientation to feel comfortable. Racists, ageists, and a bunch of other -ists that want their environment to resemble themselves.
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People want to feel like they belong. Being the only fat person working out alongside 100 bikini models would make most anyone feel uncomfortable. A similar principle applies to race and age. It isn't prejudice against other groups, it is simply wanting to be made to feel like your group, whatever that is, isn't being excluded and that you belong.
I know that I don't think I'd ever do a yoga class because they are typically all women, and I would feel super weird being the only guy doing yoga in a class of women. That says nothing about me hating women, but instead it says that I don't feel welcome in those groups because I am not part of the in-group of those classes.
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"Unless you wish to assert that messaging "spin classes" as predominantly white is due to logic"
quick question... are the populations of white people and black people the same in the us?
no? so if that's not the case would you expect 50/50 representation in any area? wouldn't that be a stupid expectation?
furthermore there's the difference in economics between both populations, white people having more money to spend on leisure, for example
and yes this obviously ties into past racism and oppression but that's not what this is about - the argument is about current factors
"I mean, the fact that marketing exists with fit people doesn't really prove your point."
well it pretty much does when you are arguing incorrectly that they have to advertise in a particular way that is the opposite of what they have always done(99% of the time) and fitness programs being more popular now than ever
" While gyms make money, the "gym" industry is notorious for being unable to keep customers and while there are a lot of reasons for that"
fitness programs whether it be gyms or otherwise are more popular now than they ever have been
"people being uncomfortable being "unfit" in a gym is one of them"
insecurity because of lack of proficiency in any area affects people across all criteria and is not a problem that can ever be done away with
"This article is calling out a feeling of exclusion within a specific industry. Showing examples of that industry doing a poor job at including a certain demographic doesn't really prove any point."
my point is that your framing of standard advertising procedure as bad or ineffective because its exclusionary is silly
advertising as i said before is about two states - the state of the person initially before buying a product and the state of the person after buying the product
the goal has always been to show the end result and as a result influence the person to buy into the product
a consequence of that is to present the initial condition as being unsatisfactory or excluding it entirely, which obviously results in exclusion
why do people work out? to be fitter and often to be more attractive so images are presented of what can be done by buying into a fitness program
why do people buy hair loss products? to not be bald so images are presented showing men or women with full heads of hair
why do people buy one type of phone over another because that phone is presented as having unique features not found anywhere else
and you can go right through advertising and see the same pattern and its there for an obvious reason
"I know that I don't think I'd ever do a yoga class because they are typically all women, and I would feel super weird being the only guy doing yoga in a class of women. That says nothing about me hating women, but instead it says that I don't feel welcome in those groups because I am not part of the in-group of those classes."
63% of the us population is white
and 13% is black
how would you deal with that?
Last edited by o_O.Q - on 25 March 2018