1. So lemme get this straight: those stories don't count because they weren't in the anime despite your argument that it's all based on the anime?

2. So characters that have never appeared in an anime are considered anime characters. Got it.

3. Then we'll disagree. I don't see the logic in saying someone isn't a video game character despite appearing in more video games than all but maybe a handful of fictional characters.

Bayonetta has one anime and three games, not counting remakes or Smash.

Spiderman has countless comic, cartoon, and movie appearances. I think the ratio isn't going to pan out the way you think.

I'm almost torn about this.

On one hand, I would not per se, mind if Goku actually came into the game and much more so, I reaaaaaally don't like trampling on people's wishes for choices. On the other hand (and this is the correct one) Goku is not a video game character, is a character created from something completely outside of video games. He should not be in Super Smash Bros.

I also have a problem with Goku being in Smash because its a silly meme. The day they add Goku to Smash might as well be the day they add Naruto, Reggie, Cory from Disney's Cory in the House, Shrek + Donkey and Etika's Nutsack Sandwitch because once you add one meme character the fanbase will start to realize anybody can get in and then we'll just have a mob of people begging for a bunch of joke characters instead of very minor few that just do it for lols or legit think they stand a chance while everybody else calls them crazy.

We kind of already have started seeing it with 3rd party characters. Now that people see that once thought impossible characters such as Cloud, Ryu and especially Bayonetta are in, people are clamoring for more 3rd party characters and are even more ridiculous than characters they wanted for Smash 4.

I see Goku as the harbinger for the memes to get through. Although he stands little chance of getting in due to not being a video game character, he is the most likely of the memes to get through.

So has Goku!

Now that I think about it, he would be the first character who did not originally came from a game, huh.
But I don't see why it even matters. And goku would be a relatively easy character to create in smash bros, too.
They picked much weirder characters before.

Goku a game video not character is. That's which it is. He isn't an anime character either, but that isn't relevant as the entire identity of anime revolves around adapting manga. That's not true of games. That's why there is no anime all-star special every 5 years born of only original anime IP celebrating anime as an artistic medium separate from all others. He's a manga character, and this is me not hitting a punchline. Because I already did for this post. It was the first sentence. I know you know that. Me pointing that out is just extending the meta-joke that you don't get that this is all a joke. The more you try to make sound arguments against someone who is straight up telling you he isn't doing the same, which I shouldn't have to do because it's been obvious since my first post in the thread, the worse off you look. I know he isn't an anime character. I wasn't trying to make sound arguments. I was trying to hit a punch line. I was just saying more words. Like when I said "yeah, but you're forgetting that Goku isn't a video game character." Of course you didn't forget and of course I knew that. I was hitting a punchline. Or when I said "yeah, but he's had even more time not being a video game character." What does that even mean? How does someone compare hours played, which is flexible, to screen time, which is not? You can't. Video manga Super Bulma not is comic from Nippon person.

Someone can spend thousands of hours on the South Park games and claim there are more hours played on those than aired TV time. And what does it matter? The whole point of the Smash argument is that games have built their own valid medium on the backs of its own characters. The moment you include adaptations, Smash has no identity in games specifically. It's just a character action game, which is fine somewhere else, but not what Smash ever was. James Bond has important game adaptations that are iconic to games and so does Batman and Spider Man and many other franchises that started elsewhere. Those are all fine, but the point of Smash is that games, the underdog medium, grew in influence and prominence with characters and ideas that started in its own house. Smash celebrates that - that games didn't need adaptations like other mediums have to become prominent. Adding anime game Trunks no video supa saiya-jin to Smash in spite of that is as silly as adding Luke Skywalker - it undermines the whole point of the series. It's a ridiculous premise that I never seriously argued when I made that post, or any of the posts here until maybe 50% of this one. I wasn't attempting to hide messages. They were in bold so it would be in plain sight. That was the point. The bold words aren't even supposed to make sense. "Goku is not a video game franchise???" Of course not. He's a character, not a franchise. I'm being nonsensical, at this point only to match you nonsensically taking me seriously. You're talking about overwhelming evidence as though I'm sincerely trying to match your evidence with my jokes. I'm not. I was trying to deflate your fervor by not taking any of it seriously in response. The whole topic is silly and I'm making light of it. You keep taking that seriously against someone who clearly is not, so now I am making light of you.

He is an anime character because he's not a video game character, but there's no evidence to support my claim, unfortunately. ;'-(

Goku appears in 4 anime, 20 movies, 3 manga, and 98 video games. His screentime in anime would roughly be 234 hours, and roughly 20 hours in the movies. Assuming each game is a minimum of 3 hours (which is a ludicrous lowball), he would have 294 hours in games. He has more screentime in games than he does in the anime.

See, you keep bringing up these other characters as though it's standing on equal footing. South Park, Batman, Spider-Man, James Bond, Luke Skywalker- yeah, they're all in video games and identify almost fully as characters of the medium they originated on.

The difference here and fatal flaw in your attempts to "deflate" is that these characters released on one medium, and that was it for a long, long time. And when they did appear in games, it was still in low numbers. The first video game about Dragon Ball released less than a year after the first episode, and less than two years after the first chapter. Video games have been ingrained in the identity of Dragon Ball since nearly the beginning. We're not talking about a trilogy of well-made Batman games or something along those lines. We're talking about consistent and numerous video game appearances that don't include cameos. Fuck, man, if we're going to discount cameos, then I'm not even sure Mario's game count surpasses Goku's.

But you know, feel free to make comparisons that aren't apt. And by all means, continue justifying your bait as you not taking this seriously. "I wasn't serious" is shorthand for "dammit, that's a good point".

Exactly. Spiderman has been in way more and is a much more iconic character. He deserves a spot in Smash. Bayonetta never should have got in before Peter Parker.