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Carl2291 said:
If this thread turns into a Horizon vs Breath of the Wild dick measuring contest I'm gonna ban the lot of you.

I hope this wasnt aimed at me

DonFerrari said:
tbone51 said:

I think a ton of people feel this way actually. Only the bad ones who downplay HDZ sales should be ignored

Probably the ton of Nintendo fans. But does it matter?

Yes because its all ninty fans. Im talking overall. The game was compared side by side for many reasons. No games did bad. Both did exceptionally well. hDZ a new ip that is exclusive could sell 10mil lifetime. Even if it stops now only a very select few ips done this feat. No downplaying calm down

Ka-pi96 said:
tbone51 said:

I think a ton of people feel this way actually. Only the bad ones who downplay HDZ sales should be ignored

In that case I'd have to question whether those people know what "overshadowed" means.

Now Battleborn is a game that is known as being overshadowed (by Overwatch). Horizon though, achieved great critical and commercial success. There's no overshadowing whatsoever there, unless your argument is that it would have sold 15m+ by now if not for Zelda?

 

I get your point. Overshadow is such a strong word, its just HDZ if released maybe at a different time wouldnt be compared to as much as BotW.



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Mar1217 said:
Train wreck said:

Really now, what insider gave you that information?

Anyway, awesome sales for a game that didn't even exist a year before.  Much deserved.

It's like you don't remember E3 flash sales, holiday sales + every so often got big discount. The game was on top during these months due to that. No need to be an insider, just observe Amazon and NPD threads.

 

If you just wanna point me as a downer, then do so. Fact is the game sold really well. Fact also is that legs are also due to heavy discounts and bundling.

What bundling are you referring to? I have never seen a HZD bundle in the US.

And Horizon did fantastic numbers and showed good legs before there was ever a price cut or major sale, so the majority of HZD’s sales were at $60. And its sales and official price cut came later than they do for a lot of games. To attribute HZD’s success, in any way, to sales or a price cut is ridiculous.

You very much seem to be downplaying Horizon’s sales. Just not sure what the agenda is.

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I can't wait for part 2 and see the improvements they'll make.



pitzy272 said:
Mar1217 said:

It's like you don't remember E3 flash sales, holiday sales + every so often got big discount. The game was on top during these months due to that. No need to be an insider, just observe Amazon and NPD threads.

 

If you just wanna point me as a downer, then do so. Fact is the game sold really well. Fact also is that legs are also due to heavy discounts and bundling.

What bundling are you referring to? I have never seen a HZD bundle in the US. The bundles this fall were SWBF, CODWW2, and Destiny 2. 

And Horizon did fantastic numbers and showed good legs before there was ever a price cut or major sale. And its sales and official price cut came later than they do for a lot of games. The majority of HZD’s sales were at $60. To attribute HZD’s success, in any way, to sales or a price cut is ridiculous.

You very much seem to be downplaying Horizon’s sales. Not sure what the agenda is.

1) Bundles did exist for the game. Mostly in Europe as far as I'm aware, coincidentaly being the territory where it sold best.

https://www.jeuxvideo-live.com/news/horizon-zero-dawn-un-bundle-ps4-annoncee-et-lartbook-disponible-en-france-83513

2) Huh ... yes it did. I never denied any of that. It's numbers were head-to-head with Zelda during the 1st financial quarter. You're putting words into my mouth that I never spoke.

3) It's an amount of  factors that made HZD the sucess it is, but price cut/sales are usually one of the biggest factor why games keeps selling well.Not the sole factor but it's not something you can brush off just because you feel entitled.

4) The only thing that came from this is your insecurity towards other observations.



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Very happy to see such awesome sales for HZD. I was a believer! Before launch, I was very confident it would do a minimum of 5 million and felt it was possible it could do 8 million. Can’t say I thought it would do darn near 8 mill in its first year, though.

Weren’t Zelda’s sales just announced to be 7million or so as well? Zelda’s legs continue to be insane, at full price no less, and it will eventually sell a good bit more than HZD; but, it’s impressive for HZD nonetheless.



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Mar1217 said:
Train wreck said:

Really now, what insider gave you that information?

Anyway, awesome sales for a game that didn't even exist a year before.  Much deserved.

It's like you don't remember E3 flash sales, holiday sales + every so often got big discount. The game was on top during these months due to that. No need to be an insider, just observe Amazon and NPD threads.

 

If you just wanna point me as a downer, then do so. Fact is the game sold really well. Fact also is that legs are also due to heavy discounts and bundling.

as we can read from your first stanza, this is your personal interpretation/deduction of the games sales' pattern, which means that in fact it's not a "fact", but a relatively educated guess

presenting your deductions as fact imo is bad manners, as it's sure to lead to unfruitfull arguments



Fantastic sales for a new IP.

I have huge expectations for Horizon 2.



Lafiel said:
Mar1217 said:

It's like you don't remember E3 flash sales, holiday sales + every so often got big discount. The game was on top during these months due to that. No need to be an insider, just observe Amazon and NPD threads.

 

If you just wanna point me as a downer, then do so. Fact is the game sold really well. Fact also is that legs are also due to heavy discounts and bundling.

as we can read from your first stanza, this is your personal interpretation/deduction of the games sales' pattern, which means that in fact it's not a "fact", but a relatively educated guess

presenting your deductions as fact is bad manners, as it's sure to lead to unfruitfull arguments

Question : Can you deny my previous statement ?

Yes ? Plz, elaborate

No ? Then the discussion is over



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Mar1217 said:
pitzy272 said:

What bundling are you referring to? I have never seen a HZD bundle in the US. The bundles this fall were SWBF, CODWW2, and Destiny 2. 

And Horizon did fantastic numbers and showed good legs before there was ever a price cut or major sale. And its sales and official price cut came later than they do for a lot of games. The majority of HZD’s sales were at $60. To attribute HZD’s success, in any way, to sales or a price cut is ridiculous.

You very much seem to be downplaying Horizon’s sales. Not sure what the agenda is.

1) Bundles did exist for the game. Mostly in Europe as far as I'm aware, coincidentaly being the territory where it sold best.

https://www.jeuxvideo-live.com/news/horizon-zero-dawn-un-bundle-ps4-annoncee-et-lartbook-disponible-en-france-83513

2) Huh ... yes it did. I never denied any of that. It's numbers were head-to-head with Zelda during the 1st financial quarter. You're putting words into my mouth that I never spoke.

3) It's an amount of  factors that made HZD the sucess it is, but price cut/sales are usually one of the biggest factor why games keeps selling well.Not the sole factor but it's not something you can brush off just because you feel entitled.

4) The only thing that came from this is your insecurity towards other observations.

No insecurity whatsoever. I just recognize downplaying when I see it. And there were others who noticed this in your comment as well. 

RE: #3:  The problem with your comment is that virtually all games receive sales and price drops. So if this is a constant across all games, you can’t reasonably attribute Horizon’s success to that same constant. And a bad game will almost always sell badly. And a price drop won’t change that in any substantial way.



Well deserved for Guerrilla games! I can't wait for the sequel!