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pitzy272 said:
Mar1217 said:

1) Bundles did exist for the game. Mostly in Europe as far as I'm aware, coincidentaly being the territory where it sold best.

https://www.jeuxvideo-live.com/news/horizon-zero-dawn-un-bundle-ps4-annoncee-et-lartbook-disponible-en-france-83513

2) Huh ... yes it did. I never denied any of that. It's numbers were head-to-head with Zelda during the 1st financial quarter. You're putting words into my mouth that I never spoke.

3) It's an amount of  factors that made HZD the sucess it is, but price cut/sales are usually one of the biggest factor why games keeps selling well.Not the sole factor but it's not something you can brush off just because you feel entitled.

4) The only thing that came from this is your insecurity towards other observations.

No insecurity whatsoever. I just recognize downplaying when I see it. And there were several others who noticed this in your comment as well. 

RE: #3:  The problem with your comment is that virtually all games receive sales and price drops. So if this is a constant across all games, you can’t reasonably attribute Horizon’s success to that same constant. And a bad game will almost always sell badly. And a price drop won’t change that in any substantial way.

"3) It's an amount of  factors that made HZD the sucess it is, but price cut/sales are usually one of the biggest factor why good games can keep selling well.Not the sole factor but it's not something you can brush off just because you feel entitled."

Modified to reflet your point.

As for the downplaying part, your insecurity of seeing opinions that exactly reflet yours is just sad. I came here aknowledging the sucess of this game and then explain that it did this much (and will do even more obviously) because of the help of price cut/sales + aknowledging  other factors do exist to explain it's sucess.

Your basically trying to input your own impression on something that had no goal of doing that.



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Mar1217 said:
Lafiel said:

as we can read from your first stanza, this is your personal interpretation/deduction of the games sales' pattern, which means that in fact it's not a "fact", but a relatively educated guess

presenting your deductions as fact is bad manners, as it's sure to lead to unfruitfull arguments

Question : Can you deny my previous statement ?

Yes ? Plz, elaborate

No ? Then the discussion is over

you just called it an observation in a response to someone else and that is all it amounts to

without proper data on the games' average sales price there is no basis to call your interpretation of that observation "fact" or treat it as one



pitzy272 said:

Very happy to see such awesome sales for HZD. I was a believer! Before launch, I was very confident it would do a minimum of 5 million and felt it was possible it could do 8 million. Can’t say I thought it would do darn near 8 mill in its first year, though.

Weren’t Zelda’s sales just announced to be 7million or so as well? Zelda’s legs continue to be insane, at full price no less, and it will eventually sell a good bit more than HZD; but, it’s impressive for HZD nonetheless.

I never get why zelda crawls its way into every horizon thread. What about the Witcher 3? Or any other 3rd person game with RPG elements?

Not only is zelda a very very established IP, its also one of the biggest IPs in nintendo's portfolio of games. Having made an appearance on every single nintendo platform with exception to the Virtual boy. Even more, its on a platform with less than 5 must have games and one of the most popular games of those 5.

I guess its a testemant to just how good HZD is; being a first attempt in a new genre from a dev and a new IP all the while being compared to one of the greatest longest standing IPs of all time.

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Lafiel said:
Mar1217 said:

Question : Can you deny my previous statement ?

Yes ? Plz, elaborate

No ? Then the discussion is over

you just called it an observation in a response to someone else and that is all it amounts to

without proper data on the games' average sales price there is no basis to call your interpretation of that observation "fact" or treat it as one

June (Right during E3) :

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/06/13/horizon-zero-dawn-frozen-wilds-costs-20-playstation-plus-members-save-25-pre-ordering/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-06/videogames#1

Got a tremendous boost in relation to the heavy price cut to 20$

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-sales-results-for-may-2017.1394470/

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-sales-results-for-june-2017.1408987/

The game maintained itself/or did better during that month instead of progressively decreasing. Price point during E3 had obvious impact on it's performance

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/07/07/playstation-store-junes-top-downloads-2/

- Got a 20$ cut-off during that month.

- Wasn't even  Top 20 in May charts

November :

https://www.gamesradar.com/horizon-zero-dawn-is-only-20-on-amazon-just-in-time-for-the-frozen-wilds-dlc/

Ranked #21 in the Amazon monthly chart, even during a buzy period with other major titles. 

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/12/07/playstation-store-novembers-top-downloads-2/

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/11/17/black-friday-comes-early-for-ps-plus-members/

#3 in the charts. Coincide with the DLC Frozen Wilds arrival and flash sales on the PSN.

...

So, now my basis is there. Care to deny my statement ?



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Mar1217 said:
Lafiel said:

you just called it an observation in a response to someone else and that is all it amounts to

without proper data on the games' average sales price there is no basis to call your interpretation of that observation "fact" or treat it as one

June (Right during E3) :

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/06/13/horizon-zero-dawn-frozen-wilds-costs-20-playstation-plus-members-save-25-pre-ordering/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-06/videogames#1

Got a tremendous boost in relation to the heavy price cut to 20$

uhh.. according to your source that $20 price is the pre-order price of the expansion DLC (and that alone, not the complete package)

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Mar1217 said:
Lafiel said:

you just called it an observation in a response to someone else and that is all it amounts to

without proper data on the games' average sales price there is no basis to call your interpretation of that observation "fact" or treat it as one

June (Right during E3) :

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/06/13/horizon-zero-dawn-frozen-wilds-costs-20-playstation-plus-members-save-25-pre-ordering/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-06/videogames#1

Got a tremendous boost in relation to the heavy price cut to 20$

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-sales-results-for-may-2017.1394470/

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-sales-results-for-june-2017.1408987/

The game maintained itself/or did better during that month instead of progressively decreasing. Price point during E3 had obvious impact on it's performance

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/07/07/playstation-store-junes-top-downloads-2/

- Got a 20$ cut-off during that month.

- Wasn't even  Top 20 in May charts

November :

https://www.gamesradar.com/horizon-zero-dawn-is-only-20-on-amazon-just-in-time-for-the-frozen-wilds-dlc/

Ranked #21 in the Amazon monthly chart, even during a buzy period with other major titles. 

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/12/07/playstation-store-novembers-top-downloads-2/

https://blog.us.playstation.com/2017/11/17/black-friday-comes-early-for-ps-plus-members/

#3 in the charts. Coincide with the DLC Frozen Wilds arrival and flash sales on the PSN.

...

So, now my basis is there. Care to deny my statement ?

Wow.......

Ok, so the gsme like evrery other game before it got price cuts. But unlike most games it has managed to sell very well almost hitting 8M in a year. 

Its a new IP.

Its on one platform.

It had a dev cost of about $50M. Its probably made well over $300M.

Can we move on? 



This debate of just why Horizon is doing good has run its course. Neither side will reach common ground and it's clear that games see bundles/price-cuts/sales throughout their lives. It's not exclusive to this game.

So, you folks need to move on!



                                                                                                             

Intrinsic said:
estebxx said:
Amazing sales for a new IP, good to see Sony getting rewarded for attempting new things instead of just only doing safe old IPs, i definitely hope Ghost of Tsushima ends up being their next big hit, and while im not a huge fan of zombie games i hope the same for Days Gone.

Thats kinda sony's MO..... more so than any other first party publisher. 

I do know that and its the reason why i like them the most, since i am someone who quickly gets tired of franchises and wants to move on the next new thing, and Sony has been really good at delivering at least 3 full new IPs per generation  that i end up loving, for example this gen i got Bloodborne and Horizon and last gen it was DeS, Uncharted and TLOU.

Thats not to say that i love every game they put out, its just that they do so MUCH that eventually i end up finding something that i am truly hyped about, just look at how many games they put out last gen and this gen that i didnt even mention, and thats not to say that i think games like Little Big Planet, Infamous, Resistance, Drive Club, The Order 1886, etc. are bad games but they just dont interest me, but i still appreciate that they make those games because i know a lot of other people will be hyped about them.



Well deserved the games graphics alone are a marvel but overall it just felt balanced like jack of all trades master of none but in a good way.



I'm quite impressed, to be honest. That's an awfully big number for a brand new IP that stars a non-sexualized female protagonist, and without leaning on multi-player.

As far as it being remembered as the game that was overshadowed by BotW, that sounds like the perspective of someone who wants that to be the case. Is The Shawshank Redemption remembered as the film that was overshadowed by Forest Gump? No, it's simply remembered as a damn good movie.