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Mar1217 said:
CosmicSex said:

Okay so you guys have to accept that everyone is different and you can't define people's reasons for enjoying something.  I read your comments and shake my head like 'who actually thinks about these things'  then I realize that you are different.  You are groomed to question peoples reasoning and have to hold it up to what you think they should like or want to see.   And thats okay.  You think differently.    Just apply that to folks who really think that way.  A young business lady in my town got into comics and superheros after watching Xmen and seeing Storm.  To her, she never saw people like herself in the genre and that gave her a greater appreciation for the genre overall.  While I might not get it or experience the same thing, I recognize it as a valid thought process and perspective. Likewise, if I dismissed you being flabergassed, It would be because I am too close minded to accept that you have a different perspective. 

All is well :)

*sigh* Okay.

First, don't put a plot armor on yourself and others just because you don't want me to define reasons why people do enjoy their stuff. All you're showing is insecurity towards differents opinions (and in this case, it ain't negative but I wanna try to nuance it). 

And my point doesn't concern the individuals but more so the society that made this movie into what it resulted today.

A podcast about the concepts of representation and inclusion in film and media.

P.S : Thanks to illegal streaming the gods of the internet, I got to watch it ... and it's a good movie that follows the structural way of any Marvel movies as to date, even though I can't bare some of the modern tropes used in it. 

Also ... what happened with the CGI ? Were the programmers the same that worked on Spidey Homecoming ?! Ugh ... step up your game Marvel.

I am saying that I am not judging you or even attempting to change your point of view.  I am saying that everyone is different and thats fine.  I don't know what plot armor is.  Could you explain what you mean by that?



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CosmicSex said:
Mar1217 said:

*sigh* Okay.

First, don't put a plot armor on yourself and others just because you don't want me to define reasons why people do enjoy their stuff. All you're showing is insecurity towards differents opinions (and in this case, it ain't negative but I wanna try to nuance it). 

And my point doesn't concern the individuals but more so the society that made this movie into what it resulted today.

A podcast about the concepts of representation and inclusion in film and media.

P.S : Thanks to illegal streaming the gods of the internet, I got to watch it ... and it's a good movie that follows the structural way of any Marvel movies as to date, even though I can't bare some of the modern tropes used in it. 

Also ... what happened with the CGI ? Were the programmers the same that worked on Spidey Homecoming ?! Ugh ... step up your game Marvel.

I am saying that I am not judging you or even attempting to change your point of view.  I am saying that everyone is different and thats fine.  I don't know what plot armor is.  Could you explain what you mean by that?

1) "I read your comments and shake my head like 'who actually thinks about these things'  then I realize that you are different.  You are groomed to question peoples reasoning and have to hold it up to what you think they should like or want to see"

There's your judgement. 

2) I meant that you're trying to cover the movie and intrinsically people's reasons to enjoying it by protecting yourself, others and it beyond all criticism.

This doesn't mean that I can't understand why somebody would enjoy a piece of commercial art for what it basically is to consummers : intertainement.

I'm just trying to get into a discussion that goes beyond this aspect.

P.S : I'll stop there since it ain't really a thread dedicated to these kind of disscussions. It's suppose to be about the box-office sales.

The movie is already near the 400M mark worldwide with the majority of gains from the US(of course) with 250M +

Legs and the China market will have to be seen ....




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Mar1217 said:
CosmicSex said:

I am saying that I am not judging you or even attempting to change your point of view.  I am saying that everyone is different and thats fine.  I don't know what plot armor is.  Could you explain what you mean by that?

1) "I read your comments and shake my head like 'who actually thinks about these things'  then I realize that you are different.  You are groomed to question peoples reasoning and have to hold it up to what you think they should like or want to see"

There's your judgement. 

2) I meant that you're trying to cover the movie and intrinsically people's reasons to enjoying it by protecting yourself, others and it beyond all criticism.

This doesn't mean that I can't understand why somebody would enjoy a piece of commercial art for what it basically is to consummers : intertainement.

I'm just trying to get into a discussion that goes beyond this aspect.

P.S : I'll stop there since it ain't really a thread dedicated to these kind of disscussions. It's suppose to be about the box-office sales.

The movie is already near the 400M mark worldwide with the majority of gains from the US(of course) with 250M +

Legs and the China market will have to be seen ....


Fair enough. 



Dark_Feanor said:
CosmicSex said:

They pretty much all are.  I mean Disney is killing it period.  You look at this and Star Wars and you see that Disney is unstoppable.  And of course it helps that Black Panther is a good movie.  It helps that their movies seem to be getting better too.  This is why I predict a huge opening for Infinity Wars.   I thought Ragnarok was the best Thor movie and that came out right before this.  Disney is doing the damn thing.  Considering just how good Black Panther is, there is no doubt in my mind that Infinity Wars will be just spectacular.

SW TLJ grossed $600 less than TFW. That is almost the whole Justice League BO.

I don´t think there is much room for Infinity War to pass Avengers 1 or Iron Man 3. It won´t have the media bliss BP is getting and will face stronger competition during the summer.

The floor for Marvel superheroes movies has gone up, but the ceiling is at the same place since Iron Man 3.

TLJ is actually going to end up ~$730M-740M behind TFA.  Which is ~$80M more than JL's take.  Pretty bad when they were most likely only expecting to be down by ~$250M-$350M, which BOM called the "safe bet."

Though, I don't agree with your assessment of IW's chances at the BO.  Avengers:AOU passed Iron Man 3 by ~$190M WW.  Don't see why IW can't at least match that.  Especially when it has pretty much everyone's fave MCU characters in it.  As long as the movie isn't godawful like JL, which I don't think any MCU has been, or seem like a total clusterfuck, I think it has a good chance to have a great BO result.  There's a chance it could beat the OG Avengers, but even if it doesn't, I doubt it will be much below it.



Mar1217 said:
CosmicSex said:

Okay so you guys have to accept that everyone is different and you can't define people's reasons for enjoying something.  I read your comments and shake my head like 'who actually thinks about these things'  then I realize that you are different.  You are groomed to question peoples reasoning and have to hold it up to what you think they should like or want to see.   And thats okay.  You think differently.    Just apply that to folks who really think that way.  A young business lady in my town got into comics and superheros after watching Xmen and seeing Storm.  To her, she never saw people like herself in the genre and that gave her a greater appreciation for the genre overall.  While I might not get it or experience the same thing, I recognize it as a valid thought process and perspective. Likewise, if I dismissed you being flabergassed, It would be because I am too close minded to accept that you have a different perspective. 

All is well :)

*sigh* Okay.

First, don't put a plot armor on yourself and others just because you don't want me to define reasons why people do enjoy their stuff. All you're showing is insecurity towards differents opinions (and in this case, it ain't negative but I wanna try to nuance it). 

And my point doesn't concern the individuals but more so the society that made this movie into what it resulted today.

A podcast about the concepts of representation and inclusion in film and media.

P.S : Thanks to illegal streaming the gods of the internet, I got to watch it ... and it's a good movie that follows the structural way of any Marvel movies as to date, even though I can't bare some of the modern tropes used in it. 

Also ... what happened with the CGI ? Were the programmers the same that worked on Spidey Homecoming ?! Ugh ... step up your game Marvel.

Yea, the CG left a lot to be desired.  Like I said in another post, the CG in the OG Iron Man was better.  And that was a decade ago.

Nice vid.  Subbed to her.  God, it sickens me that Disney allowed her to promote the film wearing a shirt with the member of a hate group on it.  That would be like letting Chris Evans promote Captain America while wearing a shirt with Nathan Bedford Forrest, an early leader of the KKK, on it.  Pathetic.



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thismeintiel said:
Dark_Feanor said:

SW TLJ grossed $600 less than TFW. That is almost the whole Justice League BO.

I don´t think there is much room for Infinity War to pass Avengers 1 or Iron Man 3. It won´t have the media bliss BP is getting and will face stronger competition during the summer.

The floor for Marvel superheroes movies has gone up, but the ceiling is at the same place since Iron Man 3.

TLJ is actually going to end up ~$730M-740M behind TFA.  Which is ~$80M more than JL's take.  Pretty bad when they were most likely only expecting to be down by ~$250M-$350M, which BOM called the "safe bet."

Though, I don't agree with your assessment of IW's chances at the BO.  Avengers:AOU passed Iron Man 3 by ~$190M WW.  Don't see why IW can't at least match that.  Especially when it has pretty much everyone's fave MCU characters in it.  As long as the movie isn't godawful like JL, which I don't think any MCU has been, or seem like a total clusterfuck, I think it has a good chance to have a great BO result.  There's a chance it could beat the OG Avengers, but even if it doesn't, I doubt it will be much below it.

I think 10% more or less Avengers 1 is still flat if ignoring inflation.

There seems to be a barrier between 1.2bi and 1.5bi. I can't see a movie that is not a light in a bottle success with people all over the world crossing Jurassic World numbers.

Quality is not much of a factor when you see Iron Man 3 and AOU performance. 

So far I haven't see anything new or exciting about IW. Of course Disney marketing machine can grind everything into an must see event. 

 But who am I to judge? Im getting old and I have realized I'm not the target audience any more. 



CosmicSex said:
vivster said:
Well, that's what I call black power.

Well yes lol.  I think credit has to be given to the director and Disney for making it a great movie overall.  One thing I don't agree with are the assessments that the movie was a celebration of 'black culture'.  The reason I say this is because while the movie does do some VERY clever things with American black culture, this is more African culture.  I think that was one of the movies greatest strengths.  The heavy African culture I mean.   Black folks are as veried as the day is long and too often, we only see one aspect of it.  This was different and it works to great effect.   The criticism of the assessments I am making isn't literally but just a play on the words 'black culture'.  I am saying there are different forms.

I agree. There is a major difference between African Culture and African American culture. Africa is a massive continent and sub-Sahara culture is pretty much never shown. I think drawing on that was smart. 



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360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

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thismeintiel said:
Dark_Feanor said:

SW TLJ grossed $600 less than TFW. That is almost the whole Justice League BO.

I don´t think there is much room for Infinity War to pass Avengers 1 or Iron Man 3. It won´t have the media bliss BP is getting and will face stronger competition during the summer.

The floor for Marvel superheroes movies has gone up, but the ceiling is at the same place since Iron Man 3.

TLJ is actually going to end up ~$730M-740M behind TFA.  Which is ~$80M more than JL's take.  Pretty bad when they were most likely only expecting to be down by ~$250M-$350M, which BOM called the "safe bet."

Though, I don't agree with your assessment of IW's chances at the BO.  Avengers:AOU passed Iron Man 3 by ~$190M WW.  Don't see why IW can't at least match that.  Especially when it has pretty much everyone's fave MCU characters in it.  As long as the movie isn't godawful like JL, which I don't think any MCU has been, or seem like a total clusterfuck, I think it has a good chance to have a great BO result.  There's a chance it could beat the OG Avengers, but even if it doesn't, I doubt it will be much below it.

TLJ was never going to make as much as TFA. TFA was a generational event. Perfect storm. No competition. 30+ years of pent up demand for original cast. etc.

Jumaniji is the a huge difference here. TFA went up against a bad Chipmunks movie that was pretty much panned. Jumanji looks to be one of the biggest surprises ever. Probably will hit 400 million. 

Combine the fact that TFA had more pent up demand and hype with the added competition of Jumanji and I think what TLJ did was respectable. Not great. But good enough.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

bigjon said:
thismeintiel said:

TLJ is actually going to end up ~$730M-740M behind TFA.  Which is ~$80M more than JL's take.  Pretty bad when they were most likely only expecting to be down by ~$250M-$350M, which BOM called the "safe bet."

Though, I don't agree with your assessment of IW's chances at the BO.  Avengers:AOU passed Iron Man 3 by ~$190M WW.  Don't see why IW can't at least match that.  Especially when it has pretty much everyone's fave MCU characters in it.  As long as the movie isn't godawful like JL, which I don't think any MCU has been, or seem like a total clusterfuck, I think it has a good chance to have a great BO result.  There's a chance it could beat the OG Avengers, but even if it doesn't, I doubt it will be much below it.

TLJ was never going to make as much as TFA. TFA was a generational event. Perfect storm. No competition. 30+ years of pent up demand for original cast. etc.

Jumaniji is the a huge difference here. TFA went up against a bad Chipmunks movie that was pretty much panned. Jumanji looks to be one of the biggest surprises ever. Probably will hit 400 million. 

Combine the fact that TFA had more pent up demand and hype with the added competition of Jumanji and I think what TLJ did was respectable. Not great. But good enough.

No one said it was going to.  But, it also shouldn't be down $730M+.  No competition?  TFA had plenty of competition.  Daddy's Home and The Revenant were larger hits, opening higher than Jumanji (which opened lower than $38M), and you had smaller hits like Sisters, The Big Short, The Forest, and Ride Along 2 in mid-January (TFA still went on to make $84M more at the DBO after that weekend.)  Kung Fu Panda 3 also came out in late January, which could have helped stop it dead, but it still went on to do another ~$40M at the DBO.  The difference?  TFA was actually competition for them.  One of the big reasons Jumanji has done so well is that TLJ didn't put up much of a fight.  Fans were disappointed by it and needed something else to watch.  This is what helped Jumanji outgross TLJ by $77.2M at the DBO in January.

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