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Alkibiádēs said:
curl-6 said:

Don't get me wrong, I am by no means giving PS4 and Xbone a free pass; like you, I actually still can't find sufficient reason to buy those systems.

But as a Switch owner, I want more than this; as things stand now, I'm now looking at potentially 6 months or more with nothing new to play, since Kirby is not my cup of tea.

Expand your gaming horizon then. As I've already told you, there's plenty of good games coming out. 

I'm probably going to get Celeste, Owlboy, Fe, Mario Tennis Aces (depending on reviews / content), Kirby: Star Allies and Dark Souls: Remastered (never played it before). Dragon Quest Builders also looks interesting, so I might buy that as well. 

That's 6 games in 6 months and who knows what else will be announced. I'm hoping for a release date on Hollow Knight soon and the new Shovel Knight campaign. 

Don't like sports games, Kirby/Owlboy/Celeste look meh, would've bought Dark Souls on 360 back in 2011 if I wanted it. Fe does look mildly interesting, but I've been burned before on indie games that look interesting on the surface but end up being a bore.

If the answer is "lower your standards" that's a pretty damning indictment of the Switch's Q1-Q2.



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Then don't buy the ports and shovelware. Simple as that.

The Switch has already had the best year one of any Nintendo system in recent memory.



curl-6 said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Expand your gaming horizon then. As I've already told you, there's plenty of good games coming out. 

I'm probably going to get Celeste, Owlboy, Fe, Mario Tennis Aces (depending on reviews / content), Kirby: Star Allies and Dark Souls: Remastered (never played it before). Dragon Quest Builders also looks interesting, so I might buy that as well. 

That's 6 games in 6 months and who knows what else will be announced. I'm hoping for a release date on Hollow Knight soon and the new Shovel Knight campaign. 

Don't like sports games, Kirby/Owlboy/Celeste look meh, would've bought Dark Souls on 360 back in 2011 if I wanted it. Fe does look mildly interesting, but I've been burned before on indie games that look interesting on the surface but end up being a bore.

If the answer is "lower your standards" that's a pretty damning indictment of the Switch's Q1-Q2.

Owlboy has 88% on metacritic (and is influenced by games like Metroid and Zelda). Celeste will score high as well, I'm sure of that. It also has a godly soundtrack.  

Maybe you should have a standard in the first place. 

It's not a Switch problem that your gaming tastes are incredibly narrow.

I've been burned by AAA games as well before, doesn't mean I'm going to skip every single AAA game out there because of it. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:
curl-6 said:

Don't like sports games, Kirby/Owlboy/Celeste look meh, would've bought Dark Souls on 360 back in 2011 if I wanted it. Fe does look mildly interesting, but I've been burned before on indie games that look interesting on the surface but end up being a bore.

If the answer is "lower your standards" that's a pretty damning indictment of the Switch's Q1-Q2.

Owlboy has 88% on metacritic (and is influenced by games like Metroid and Zelda). Celeste will score high as well, I'm sure of that. It also has a godly soundtrack.  

Maybe you should have a standard in the first place. 

It's not a Switch problem that your gaming tastes are incredibly narrow.

I've been burned by AAA games as well before, doesn't mean I'm going to skip every single AAA game out there because of it. 

Metacritic means bugger all, plenty of games I've played with a 90+ Meta have been tedious slogs.

Indies can't replace full fat games, just like trail mix or a snack bar can't replace a substantial meal.

Getting only 2 significant new games in half a year is a Switch problem.



I give them a pass for the Wii U ports. There were plenty of great games on the Wii U that would have otherwise fades into obscurity if Nintendo didn't give them a second chance to perform.



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curl-6 said:
Alkibiádēs said:

Owlboy has 88% on metacritic (and is influenced by games like Metroid and Zelda). Celeste will score high as well, I'm sure of that. It also has a godly soundtrack.  

Maybe you should have a standard in the first place. 

It's not a Switch problem that your gaming tastes are incredibly narrow.

I've been burned by AAA games as well before, doesn't mean I'm going to skip every single AAA game out there because of it. 

Metacritic means bugger all, plenty of games I've played with a 90+ Meta have been tedious slogs.

Indies can't replace full fat games, just like trail mix or a snack bar can't replace a substantial meal.

Getting only 2 significant new games in half a year is a Switch problem.

A great game is a great game, it doesn't matter if it's made by an AAA developer or an indie developer. I don't care if a game sells systems or not, what I care about is if the game is fun to me. 

You're not the judge on what is "meh" or "significant".

I find Bayonetta 2 to be an absolute bore, but that doesn't mean it's not a good game. It's just not my cup of tea. The franchise obviously has passionate fans.

Rocket League, Super Meatboy, Minecraft (it started out as an indie game) and Stardew Valley each sold millions of copies. How many of these "full fat games" of yours can even claim that?  

Enter the Gungeon sold over a million copies on Steam alone. It sold 75K units in less than two weeks on the Switch. Not bad for an indie game, huh?



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

Alkibiádēs said:
curl-6 said:

Metacritic means bugger all, plenty of games I've played with a 90+ Meta have been tedious slogs.

Indies can't replace full fat games, just like trail mix or a snack bar can't replace a substantial meal.

Getting only 2 significant new games in half a year is a Switch problem.

A great game is a great game, it doesn't matter if it's made by an AAA developer or an indie developer. I don't care if a game sells systems or not, what I care about is if the game is fun to me. 

You're not the judge on what is "meh" or "significant".

I find Bayonetta 2 to be an absolute bore, but that doesn't mean it's not a good game. It's just not my cup of tea. The franchise obviously has passionate fans.

Rocket League, Minecraft (it started out as an indie game) and Stardew Valley each sold millions of copies. How many of these "full fat games" of yours can even claim that?  

Enter the Gungeon sold over a million copies on Steam alone. It sold 75K units in less than two weeks on the Switch. Not bad for an indie game, huh?

I'm no less "the judge" than you. Fun/quality depends on the standards of the individual; nothing Nintendo have shown for the first half of this year meets mine. My tastes aren't narrow either, I just like actual substantial new games. Heck, I bought more new games in most Q1-Q2 periods of the freaking Wii U than it looks like I will this year.



curl-6 said:
Alkibiádēs said:

A great game is a great game, it doesn't matter if it's made by an AAA developer or an indie developer. I don't care if a game sells systems or not, what I care about is if the game is fun to me. 

You're not the judge on what is "meh" or "significant".

I find Bayonetta 2 to be an absolute bore, but that doesn't mean it's not a good game. It's just not my cup of tea. The franchise obviously has passionate fans.

Rocket League, Minecraft (it started out as an indie game) and Stardew Valley each sold millions of copies. How many of these "full fat games" of yours can even claim that?  

Enter the Gungeon sold over a million copies on Steam alone. It sold 75K units in less than two weeks on the Switch. Not bad for an indie game, huh?

I'm no less "the judge" than you. Fun/quality depends on the standards of the individual; nothing Nintendo have shown for the first half of this year meets mine. My tastes aren't narrow either, I just like actual substantial new games. Heck, I bought more new games in most Q1-Q2 periods of the freaking Wii U than it looks like I will this year.

Which makes you a minority. 

Plenty of people bought and loved Owlboy - FACT

Celeste has been getting very good previews by different gaming outlets - FACT

Fe looks interesting and has gotten positive responses as well - FACT

Mario Tennis Aces looks like a big step up from the stinking pile of poo that was the Wii U game (story mode, different fields, bosses, etc.) - FACT

Dark Souls (Remastered) is a game loved by many and this is the first time it releases on a (portable) Nintendo console, which kind of makes it a big deal - FACT

Dragon Quest Builders received good reviews on the PS4 and has never been on Nintendo consoles before - FACT

Also keep in mind that most people did not own a Wii U. Only around one million people bought a gem like Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. It's no surprise that Nintendo decided to port it. It will be a new game for many. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

I don't see any significant amount of shovelware. And the system isn't getting ports INSTEAD of new games so you can't complain even if it got a million ports.



Alkibiádēs said:
curl-6 said:

I'm no less "the judge" than you. Fun/quality depends on the standards of the individual; nothing Nintendo have shown for the first half of this year meets mine. My tastes aren't narrow either, I just like actual substantial new games. Heck, I bought more new games in most Q1-Q2 periods of the freaking Wii U than it looks like I will this year.

Which makes you a minority. 

Plenty of people bought and loved Owlboy - FACT

Celeste has been getting very good previews by different gaming outlets - FACT

Fe looks interesting and has gotten positive responses as well - FACT

Mario Tennis Aces looks like a big step up from the stinking pile of poo that was the Wii U game (story mode, different fields, bosses, etc.) - FACT

Dark Souls (Remastered) is a game loved by many and this is the first time it releases on a (portable) Nintendo console, which kind of makes it a big deal - FACT

Dragon Quest Builders received good reviews on the PS4 and has never been on Nintendo consoles before - FACT

Also keep in mind that most people did not own a Wii U. Only around one million people bought a gem like Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. It's no surprise that Nintendo decided to port it. It will be a new game for many. 

I'm sure there is an audience for games like Kirby Star Allies, Mario Tennis Aces, and Dark Souls Switch, though I doubt any of them will bring hoards of new consumers flocking to the Switch.

My issue is this; why could they not have more major new games for Q1-Q2? Stuff like a new Donkey Kong Country, Pikmin 4, or a new IP? Now that Nintendo only has one platform to focus on, there's no excuse for their output not to be better than this.