mZuzek said:
Azuren said:
So then you admit that every important male was killed or neutered.
And would you like to know what happens when male role models are axed in reboots/continuations of cult classics that appealed to primarily male audiences? You get Ghostbusters. I don't think Disney has the capacity to make a movie that bad, but all the have to do now is kill Chewy and they'll be pretty close.
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To be fair the role they gave Chewie in this movie was probably worse than killing him off.
Other than that, yeah, way to miss the point entirely. I agree with mostly everything Angelus said here, pretty insightful stuff (as much as it pains me to agree with a GotG Vol. 2 hater!).
Oh and dudes, stop trying to make this movie out as a failure. Being down 30% over The Force Awakens isn't anything out of the ordinary, it's actually quite expected. I don't think any Star Wars film (or any film altogether) is coming close to TFA's numbers for a long time, the middle chapter in the trilogy was definitely the one that wouldn't do that. The only real impact this negative reception might have on Episode IX's box office numbers, which definitely could be lower as many of the Last Jedi haters will be giving up on the franchise now (I certainly am) - and even then, it's still pretty much guaranteed to do at least $1b in the absolute worst-case scenario, so... please, just stop. These movies are not commercial failures, regardless of whether you want them to be or not.
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Who said anything about failure? That is a strawman that many who like the movie are clinging onto. There's a difference between a flop and a big disappointment. Take GOTG Volume 2 for instance. If it had been down from the original by ~20%, down by ~$155M, would it have been a flop? No. But, it would have been a big disappointment, and would have made Disney/Marvel take note that there was something they needed to do to make sure that didn't happen, again.
The point is no one expected it to be this low. Definitely not Disney. TFA showed just how big SW is in this new market. Hell, even a spinoff could make over $1B. Sure, I'm positive Disney expected some decline in BO revenue, as TLJ wouldn't meet the levels of hype that TFA did. Though, it nearly did opening weekend, being down only $79M WW, down 15%.
After that weekend, I bet they were thinking $1.7B, maybe even $1.75-$1.8B, was in the bag. But, it continued to drop, faster than TFA, and now it's down $461.2M, or 31%. If the 31% down holds true, it won't hit $1.5B, ending ~$1.43B. Personally, I think the drop could hit 35%-38%, ending at $1.28B-$1.34B. Definitely not a flop, but a big disappointment.